Bible Discussion PAGE 10

  • Bennymkje
    Re.13:8 (2 of 2)

    The Book of the Lamb"

    This book of Remembrance is the book of the Lamb. This is the basis by which God has blessed man in his Son.("For he chose us in him before the creation of the world"-Ep.1:4-NIV) and it is left to the Son to determine whose names should be included or left out.

    Consider those who compromised with temporal powers represented by the beast ,- they forfeited their place, "whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"(Re.13:8). They did not, as Jesus would say gather with him. "Truly they have received their reward in full"(Matt.6:2-NIV). They won in this world but not everlasting life, the reward Jesus could give. "My reward is with me to give every man and according his work shall be."(Re.22:12). So predestination is the Fellowship of God with Man for which the emblem of the slain Lamb signifies the everlasting covenant written in the book of the Lamb and countersigned by the blood of Jesus. The throne of God on one part and the throne of the Lamb on the other carry all the overcomers foreknown by God. Those who have been left out proved their DNA did not match the faith, which is one.
  • Daruled
    I also would like to point out that strictly speaking, that we are all "wrong" in that we are NOT PERFECT. I see the truth as a great multi-faceted gem, each one of us "sees" a single facet, the key is to understand that there is much more to "The Gem" than our own understanding, and that there is much more that we cannot see. Thus we must rely upon each other to "describe" the other parts of it"
  • Bennymkje
    Abiding in Christ (1 of 2)


    New heaven and new earth are for those who are born again. In order to be part of Alpha and Omega they are enjoined to walk in the true Light. In Alpha and Omega we were shown how John viewed the holy city of God came down.

    "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." In ch.22:2 as with the vision of Daniel in ch.12 he sees across the river of time the world of the body where the nations still require healing and are under the curse.

    It is thus we shall consider the Alpha and Omega aspect with regards to our positions within the divine Will in which there is only a single tree of life.

    Here we shall consider Jesus Christ as the beginning and the ending. It is in terms of day, which God established by a decree. This beginning has had day and night running sequentially. "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness./ And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."(Ge.1:4-5)

    The symbolic value of the greater light and the lesser light put the entire world seen as temporal subject to the Father Son relationship. " And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness:" So when God said 'be ye holy as I am holy' he sent his Son as the visible image of the invisible God so man had a template to grown to its full stature. The sun, moon and the stars were not for themselves or for the natural world where change is the norm, but the key to holiness is in the kingdom of God. It is faith. (He.11:3)
  • Carrollreggie66 on Psalms 100
    Praise God almighty ,he is the God of the universe.
  • Bennymkje
    Ez. 39:8 (2 of 2)

    "It is Done"

    The Spirit gives us in this passage. "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;" (Re.19:17-18). The Spirit sets an angel in the sun, which refers to the sun of righteousness, Jesus Christ.

    All promises of God are yea and amen in him. So the narrative mode of the Spirit has its own color and shape. As with He.11:3 there are only two worlds framed by the word of God. So mountains of Israel are interchangeable as Jerusalem is a stand-in for New Jerusalem. In order to avoid confusion the Spirit also sets additional safeguard in the usage of numbers. The number Seven is a command number made up of 4+3. Four establishes the Word, which was with God and the Law. Number Three is a tag for the Son. The number assigned to the beast 666, He is a man in whom there is no place the word of God to work with. He is established as the son of perdition.

    The Spirit uses fractions, which have its own purpose. "And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee,"(39:2) One sixth, one fourth and one third for instance. The Spirit gives the tag of condemnation, "Of sin, because they believe not on me" (John16:9) The beast did not believe in the Son, - his body, spirit and soul included. The classic example is in the image, "Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon."(Dan.3:1) Numbers Six and Ten dominate here. Width is six cubits and height is ten times as much. It was set up on the earth. (2 of 2)
  • Bennymkje
    Ez.38:17-18 (3 of 3)

    "A Great Army"

    The army of the kings of the east bear a tag, 200x1000x1000 These two sets refer to the period during which Satan is bound over. So latter days and latter years mentioned in Ch.38 necessitate this. "In the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword. This is different from the latter days." But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."(Dan.12:13)

    Number 10 refers to the Decalogue and Judgment of God. The red dragon had 10 horns indicating power and authority, "having seven heads and ten horns," Similarly the beast also has the same. (Re.13:1,12:3)

    The number 20 (10x2) refers to sinning against God and his holiness signifying the Son, The Prodigal Son refers how he may reconcile with his Father "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee."( Luke 15:18) Joseph was sold by his brethren to the Ishmaelites, 'who took him to Egypt,' and the sum was 20 shekels of silver.(Ge.37:28) This continues in the trespass offering. (Le.5:14-16) This 20 shekels in the case of Joseph signifies their trespass against God and Joseph who was set down as the double for the Son. Also significant is that Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. (10x3) The command number 3 refers to the Son.
  • Bennymkje
    Ez.38:17-18 (2 of 3)

    "A Great Army"

    they invaded all Egypt and settled down in every area of the country in great numbers. Never before had there been such a plague of locusts, nor will there ever be again."(Ex.10:13- NIV). St John gives us a clue to the nature of the army that Gog mustered in the battle. The locusts are unclean spirits different from what went into attack in the Book of Exodus. In Ez.38:4 we see them. Compare them what St John is telling us. "And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men./ And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions./ And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle."(9:7-9)

    Ezekiel mentions the name Togarmah can be identified with the Phrygians as was Ashkenaz.

    "Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee." (38:6)

    In order to understand the role of the scorpions consider this verse, "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months."(9:10) We have the clue in the idiomatic expression of Parthian shot, the ancient Parthian cavalry's habit of shooting arrows rearward at the enemy while in real or feigned flight.

    St John gives a number to this army which as with 144,000 are intended as tags "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." (9:16)

    12x12 refers to gospel. This multiplied by 1000 gives us the first fruits "These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."(Re.14:4)

    (2 of 3)
  • Bennymkje
    Ez.39:11 (2of 2)

    "The valley of Hamongog."

    "Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."(Je.17:5) River Euphrates is thus dried up and it was determined before their ways strayed from His holiness and the Word.

    In the vision of the Book bound with Seven Seals (Re.5) we find only the Lamb was found worthy to open the seals which are part of the judgment. The seven angels with seven trumpets are not blowing them all at once. The seven is indication that each aspect as judgment is distributed over the day appointed for the Son. Thus we have four angels associated with the river as in the following passage. "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./ And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men./ And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." (Re.9:14-16)

    It is thus we need approach the following verses "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land./ Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God."

    "In that day" is a phrase often employed by the Holy Spirit to indicate the day decreed for the Son.

    "The day that I shall be glorified" refers to the day of regeneration.
  • Bennymkje

    The Valley Of Hamon-Gog

    "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves..: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog."

    The valley bears another name, which is more revealing especially considering from where the enemies to Christ are coming. This valley is called "the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea.". In the Book of the Revelation we have the name the River Euphrates is used which is relevant to the occasion. "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."(Re.16:12) Notice the significance of the tag Six used by the Holy Spirit. We shall come to it anon. God sent a river to water the Garden of Eden and gives us two rivers both of which are continuation of blessings from the waters from above the firmament. God blessed us with all spiritual blessing in his Son. Thus we have the third river named Hiddekel and the fourth the River Euphrates. "And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates."(Ge.2:14) The command number Three refers to the Son. Drying up the River is a signal of divine Judgment. The kings of the east are led to their doom for which this valley is sign. (39:15)

    On the other hand we have the 'open valley' in the vision of the dry bones in Ez.37

    In Ez.38:3-6 Gog is presented with names familiar with the history of the nation of Israel "Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:" They made the flesh their arms and as Jeremiah speaks of such they are accursed. When they cannot appreciate the long suffering nature of God, his mercy it is a sure indication that their heart has departed from God. "Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man," (1 of 2)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2 "Conclusion" (1 of 2)

    "Dry Bones"

    The promise of God is, "Ask of me" Our possession can be only in the Son."Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."(v.8)

    The prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John gives the fulfillment of this. Especially the vv.20-24. "That they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world./ O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me."( John 17:24-25) So knowing that God sent his Son is one part but we have to be made perfect for which we have to abide in him. " in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;" He who has the Son has the Father as well. This is the church in eternity, the body of Christ.

    The bone from Adam led to the creation of Eve, and the Spirit sets her as a symbol for this church in eternity. A close study of the Vision of Dry Bones (Ez.37) shall help us understand the ongoing church- building is in the world of the Spirit as much as the Spirit of Christ working with human agencies on the earth.

    'The open valley' is a clue for us to include the two worlds as one. "And, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. "(37:2) Ezekiel is not required to prophesy to what is in the mind of God. So we have to take the lead of the Spirit and see the church how these dry bones may put on flesh and sinews "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord."(37:8)

    Second point is in the matter of breath. Of this v.9 is different than v.3. "Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live" This refers to God breathing into the nostrils of Adam. These dry bones became living soul so bone joins to one another. (1 of 2)
  • GiGi on Numbers 35

    How this placement of the Levites among the people typifies Christ who resides with His people and ever makes intercession for us to the Father. How dependable He is and how intimate is His priestly work for us. He knows what is going on in each of our lives, being ever-present and everywhere present. His ministry far exceeds that of the priest of Israel. They, being sinful, became corrupted with greed, pride, and puffed up. They became self-righteous and did not want to "mingle" with the unclean common folk. They added requirements to the law, amending what God decreed, and inserted traditions that led people further away for God rather than helping them draw near to God and practice service and worship to God that is according to what God has stated to be righteous. They became burdensome to the people rather than Jesus, who said to take His yoke upon us, which is easy and light. Jesus does not yoke us to enslave us, rather, He calls us to cleave to Him and live in freedom to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. He takes upon Himself our burdens and makes our hearts glad.
  • GiGi on Numbers 35
    In this chapter, YHWH instructs Moses to tell the people to set aside cities in each of their allotments for the Levites to reside in and have room to tend their flocks outside the city walls. There will be 48 cities in all, 6 of them will be cities of refuge for oen who kills by accident can flee for safety until they have a trial.

    If one outright kills someone intentionally, this is murder, and the murderer is to be put to death. God takes it seriously when one is murdered. He did when Cain murdered Abel, bit let Cain live. For the Israelites, they are to carry out this death sentence on murderers without partiality. no murderer can be "bailed out" with money, bribe, or other type of exchange to rescind the death penalty.

    YHWH says that unrequited murder defiles the land. It perverts justice and leads to wanton killing. This happens every week in so many cities, think of the many young men who are gunned down in Chicago, L.A., and other big cities every week. These murders are often done by other young people. How perverted our society has become when such young people have no value for life and think nothing of taking life from another. And then there are the drug cartels who murder so readily. Let's mention all of the babies aborted without the mom or doctors blinking an eye. There is so much blood-letting happening in our streets and the blood of the innocent cries out to God as Abel's did. God knows when every life starts and ends. He cares. And He wants society to deal justly with murderers. Yet in His mercy, He makes a way here for those who kill unintentionally to be safe until proven to have done so by accident or purposefully.

    The cities for the Levites puts the priests in the midst of each tribe. They are there to be available to the spiritual needs of the families abiding around their cities. The High Priest, ark, and tabernacle are in one set place, but the other priests are to be in the midst of the people. They are to be readily available
  • GiGi on Numbers 34
    In this chapter, YHWH designates the borders of the land promised to Abraham that the Israelites will possess. Reuben, Gad, and the half tribe of Manasseh had already chosen the land east of the Jordan river as their allotment. (God had promised to Abraham the land east of the Jordan east to the Euphrates River), The rest of the 9 tribes and half tribe of Manasseh were to settle west of the Jordan river. The allotments were to be divide by lots (which God chose the outcome). This way, the distribution of the land will be fair and according to God's wisdom, not man's desires. Eliazar and Joshua would be the ones to work the lot to determine the allotments. Even though these two were godly, they could easily have sinful motives creep in if they were to decide on the distribution from their own desires. A prince (leading elder) from each tribe was named by YHWH to represent their tribe during this part of the allotting of land. With God doing all the choosing, no Israelite could accuse any other Israelite of being unfair nor could any Israelite have cause to bicker about what they received nor could they bribe or coerce anyone. It was God's choosing from start to finish.

    In defining the borders, I noticed that Mt. Hor at the edge of Edom is mentioned to be where Aaron died, but another Mt. Hor was mentioned as being part of the northern boundary. These are two different mountains. The northern one is near the coast in northern Palestine. Notice the land that Reuben, Gad, and the half tribe of Mannaseh were to possess the land east of the Jordan eastward to the sun's rising. So, it seems they could possess the land as far eastward as they wished up to the Euphrates River.

    This receiving of the land allotments reminds me to be content with what God has provided for me in this life. It is all only temporal, and like Abraham, we look to be inheritors of the city built by God kept for us in heaven, the New Jerusalem.
  • Bennymkje
    Ps.2:12 (2 of 2)

    "Kiss The Son"

    This principle is employed to bring realities of the world of the Spirit and of the body in terms of the Son. It is in his Son that all fulness should dwell. It is thus we bring our thoughts on the same page as that of God in his Son. Without abiding in Jesus Christ and walking under his light it is impossible for anyone to be called righteous. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord./ For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."(Is.55:8-9)

    Gog and Magog shall fail miserably because they set themselves against the Son. In Ez.39:17 we have the Lord God inviting fowls to his sacrifice. "And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come;... that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood." In v.21 he declares why, "And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them."

    The Spirit gives the similitude of a supper in the Vision of St. John.(Re.19:17-18)

    God sent an east wind to feed the Israel and their lust for meat serves how God rewards the fowls, "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh."(19:21)

    Principle of Similitude serves us a lesson. In the secular world we have this truth: 'Any man's gain is not every man's gain.' Nations may aggrandize themselves preying upon the weak nations. But the Just God shall not let go man's injustice unpunished. In the post 'Iron' the quail is a symbol. The Spirit has incorporated the man's ungodliness, his lust in a manner he shall understand. In rejecting manna God shall repay in a manner he did not foresee. God has given all things needful for his life and godliness. Let us be content with a grateful heart.
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm.2:9 (2 of 2)


    "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron."

    This rod of iron is to smash earthen pots as a farmer smashes clods of earth with a wooden mallet in order to prepare the ground for sowing. "Caraway is not threshed with a sledge, nor is the wheel of a cart rolled over cumin; caraway is beaten out with a rod, and cumin with a stick."(Is.28:27-NIV) The allegory of the Potter's yard ought to help us in this context. God's message came to Jeremiah at the Potter's house, "I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy; I will shew them the back, and not the face, in the day of their calamity."(Je.18:17). Historically Israel was cast to the winds in successive exiles under Assyria Babylon and Rome. Here also kings of the east bear upon the nation as east wind.

    The Spirit employs principle of similitude where lust for meat is balanced by their chastisement hangs on the east wind. God sends Israel quails in this memorable lines/"He let loose the east wind from the heavens and by his power made the south wind blow." (Ps.78:26-27 NIV; Nu.11)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2:7 (1of 2)

    The Decree

    " I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

    A covenant is between two parties. We shall look at two worlds which are framed by the word of God. The will of God or what signified His holiness, what is unseen becomes visible. Faith is reconciling the one world unseen with what is made to appear. There is no other intermediary, "so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." This covenant in short is the Law since the eternal word of God gave expression. The world of the Son is on one part and "Who is the image of the invisible God." The Word was God ( John 1:1) is a sound as well as a sign. Everlasting Covenant is between God the Father and the Son where he serves as a sign.

    While translating the everlasting decree in terms of visible symbols we have three components that are established by the eternal word (Ps.119:89)

    A symbol or the emblem in the will of God the Father. This is the slain Lamb before the worlds began. Secondly the body: glory of God gives the body of his Son a likeness so every thing visible,- made to appear by faith, would correspondingly relate. Adam was created in his image so God places His creation in his charge. Thirdly his life. In him was life, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." Here John is referring to the humanity of Jesus Christ. The everlasting covenant is between God and Man who is the same. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."(He.13:8) (1 of 2)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2:5-9

    (Continuation) 2 of 2

    " I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee./Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."( vv.7-8)

    'Uttermost parts of the earth'

    "And (Satan) shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea./ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."(Re.20:8-9)

    Satan or Lucifer compassing the camp of the saints and the beloved city' is a case in point. The beloved city refers to the one in the world of the Spirit, and camp of the saints refer to the earthly tabernacles in the earth. We read of Abraham who by faith considered himself as sojourner and pilgrim'. 'For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.' (He.11:10) This is Zion located in 'the north'.

    As sojourners and pilgrim we consider as dwelling in the camps as the Israelites in the wilderness. We have our earthly tabernacles.(2 Co.5:1) It is under siege from the kings of the east which has been going on for long and in the time of David we have it in the Book of the Kings, He had soiled his hands in bloodshed so God will not let him build the house for him. In our case it is God who shall fight our battles since Jesus Christ is the king of kings.. What we read in Re.19 is a war in heaven. "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."(19;14). The Vision of the Dry Bones refers to this army to which we shall come in the conclusion.

    "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." (v.9)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2:5-9

    "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion."

    In the key passage we have the narrative mode of the Spirit in setting two worlds of the Spirit and of the body simultaneously. At one level David is the focus who is ordained as the king after the fashion of the earthly kings. But David is acknowledging he is but a double for the Son signifying the will of the Father, the everlasting covenant and the day in which the decree shall run and of his inheritance. In the coming days we shall look these in detail. We have Zion a geographical entity and another in the world of the Spirit. David for instance conquered Jerusalem from the Canaanite tribe of Jebusites (2 Sa.5:6-10). He moves his capital to Jerusalem and lives in the fortress of Zion which becomes the city of David. "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King."(Ps.48;2)

    In the world of the body north refers to a geographical location. On the other hand the north refers to Judgement as we see in the book of Jeremiah. "Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land./ For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north, saith the Lord; and they shall come, and they shall set every one his throne at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah."(Je.1:14-15) Here is another: Here speaking of judgment on Lucifer we have the north mentioned, " I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:/ I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Is.14:13-14) The kings of Assyria and Babylon came from north owing to the apostasy of Israel. (1 of 2)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2:2-4 (Continued)

    Gog and Magog

    Satan sins from the beginning so every war has been fought in which saints are required to be one in purpose with the Son. Those who do not gather souls with him are scattering and all that ensuing confusion only helps Satan. "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about," We read about Gog and Magog in the Ez.38-39 and it is God who avenges His saints. "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord."(38:23)

    In the present confusion when we see the church deep into playing politics remember that it is God who administers his medicine for a church gone rogue, " He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision./ Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." Either the nation can arise and make peace with God or be cast to the winds.

    (2 of 2)
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 2:2-4 Gog and Magog

    When a nation is fractured despite of the best intentions to build a New Canaan we are looking at causes which go even beyond what appears to us. "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course." (Ps.82:5) The foundations of the earth are part of the world of the Spirit as the soul of a man is out of joint with what he professes to the world. Reason only helps his hearer to so much. How his soul has departed from faith and shall resist all good counsel, and what he says is a smokescreen to conceal his intentions we need understand we are out of step with God. There is darkness that indicates the absence of true Light and the word to keep us from straying. When we speak of North against South the history of US is only an object lesson. Cardinal directions north, south, east and west refer to the visible world where geography of individual nations comes with borders. It is a lie of course.

    In terms of Eden the Garden was placed on the east and with the fall of man we have seen people going farther and farther from it. in short kings of the earth are set in direct frame of reference to Eden. Zion is another name.

    There are kings of the earth, which the Spirit tags as kings of the east. "The nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea./And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. "(Re.20:8). They are given a generic name, kings of the earth. "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."(Re.16:12)

    (1 of 2)
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  • Jimbob
    The KJB is the Inspired Perfect Word of God!

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    The 1st verse in the Bible, and the last verse in the Bible are,

    ( Gen 1:1) IN the beginning God created the heaven and the EARTH.

    ( Rev 22:21) THE grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. AMEN.

    The 1st word and the last word of the 1st and last verses of the KJB are (IN) (EARTH) (THE) AND (AMEN)

    There are 77777 mentions of these words in the KJB! In the KJB ONLY!!

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    The word (seven) is #7651 in Hebrew; it means from 7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one) 7650; means to be complete.

    ( Rev 1:11) Jesus Christ is speaking here: "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"

    Jesus Christ IS the first and the last.

    The KJB is the Perfect Word of God. This is only a small example of how perfect His Words truly are.

    All modern version bibles change the words of God which completely throws this perfect pattern of God's signature off, they have perverted the Words of the living God ( Jer 23:36) (perverted) #2015; it means ((to change))

    EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE ( Proverbs 30 :5-6) 6"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar"

    If you want to see more of these perfect patterns in the KJB just google (Truth is Christ) on youtube.

    Blessings to all who seek His Truth!

    Truth matters!
  • Bennymkje
    Psalm 1:3-4

    "And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper./The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away."

    Here we are looking at the river which came from the water above the firmament and the tree of life in particular. In the Genesis account we have a garden planted by God. Out of the ground He caused this garden to take shape. This garden is isolated from its natural circumstances for our instruction. So we are looking at the world of the Spirit, all the ethnicity of peoples, flora and fauna associated with the natural world are brushed out of the snapshot as it were. The Spirit tells us of heavenly places in which we were blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ, -the Tree of life. Here we are meditating upon what was in the mind of God. Humanity of Jesus compares him to to a plant. So when Jesus said "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. Let them alone," we shall locate our position as many branches of this tree. Isaiah says thus"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground:"(Is.53:2)

    By his death and resurrection he caused the roots tap untold resources from His Father's storehouse so that no one may tell how God provided for them spiritually as well as whatever needful for their daily needs.

    St John in the following text tells 'whosoever born of God does not sin'. Those who are born of God must show who they are in their moderation and their sober living. "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not./And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.:
  • Peaches on Revelation 14
    The Mark of the Beast is about who you will worship, Jesus (our Saviour and Creator of all things) or Satan (the Beast power). It has to do with what you think and your actions.

    It cannot have anything to do with the covid shot. Even the childhood vaccines have aborted DNA debris in them and this too adds someone's DNA into your body and your stem cells readily take the DNA into them.
  • Bennymkje
    Hi Carleton,

    Evidently, we are handling the word of truth. 'Thy word is truth'. God fashioned all hearts alike, and tries their works. Ps.33:15. And it is faith with works that completes the transaction between God and man. "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."( John 13:17)
  • Jordyn
    Take up your CROSS and follow me.

    What does taking up your cross and following Jesus imply.

    DEATH, you have to DIE; yet, you are alive; this is the first death, dying to TRUTH, then the judgement: 1 Peter 4:17 The time is (NOW) come, that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD (your the house of God, judged by the words of God).

    Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED (you died on the cross) with Christ; yet I LIVE, yet NOT I, but CHRIST LIVETH in me (YOU are the body of Christ).

    ONLY the BODY of Christ arose from the grave, the NEW CREATION, you are the BODY of Christ, you; flesh and blood, now longer exist, you DIED on the cross, only Christ RESURRECTED exist.

    1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the LIGHT ......

    ! Corinthians 15:54 ...this mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY (Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY) .....

    1 Corinthians 15:49 As you have borne the IMAGE of the EARTHLY, you shall bear the IMAGE of the heavenly .....

    Romans 8:29 ... being predestinated to be conformed TO THE IMAGE of CHRIST ....

    John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.

    God Bless You!
  • Tunney on Revelation 6
    May we be faithful to worship the LORD GOD in prayer, and testimony before the lost world. As saints our spiritual destiny is settled in the blood of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.

    We must go forth and make disciples and reach those who need to be saved. Family, friends, any and all - GOD will bless our efforts. GOD to shine and bless our efforts.

    Amen! Praying for all who are this forum. August 27, 2023
  • GiGi
    Hello again folks,

    Perhaps this thread could be used for the discussion on God not leaving His Holy One in hell (the abode of the dead). I just think it is best to divide the previous thread into two even though both topics (what happens to the soul upon death and God not leaving His Holy One in hell) are interrelated.

    Thank you for your contributions to both of these threads I have started.
  • GiGi
    Hello folks,

    My post to Jema was not intended to begin a discussion of Christ's descent into hell (the abode of the dead) rather to speak to the topic of whether a soul lives on after the body dies or if it ceases to exist when the body dies.

    While I think that this topic of the God not leaving His Holy One in hell (the abode of the dead) is a worthy topic, I did not want a discussion on this topic to over ride the discussion on what happens to one's soul at death.

    Perhaps it is best to have two different threads for these two topics.

    I would like this thread to continue to discussion on what happens to the soul at death.
  • Jimbob
    Blessings to all who seek His Truth.

    I want to start this by saying thank you to whoever started this King James Bible site, The Holy Spirit was with you.

    Many here do not believe the KJB is the Inspired Word of God. If you are one of those people then I ask that you please google this (Truth is Christ) on youtube and watch some of the videos that show Amazing patterns, and facts that only happen in the King James Bible and could only be done by God Himself! PROOF that God Inspired the KJB! It is truly Amazing!

    If you are seeking the Truth on whether God preserved His Word in a book for this generation, (and you should be) if you are honestly seeking Truth, you will find it in (Truth is Christ) on youtube.

    If you don't think the KJB is the Inspired Word of God then that's even more reason for you to watch these videos because you are being deceived by words of men.

    Leave a comment on your thoughts if you seek the Truth and watch these videos, you will not be disappointed but much more importantly you will find the Truth!

    God Bless all you seek His Truth.

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