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  • Mishael
    Bob Hilt:

    Do really believe that Jesus is going to suffer His Bride; the Bride of Christ;

    To go all the way through the Tribulation for the 7th Trumpet?

    To be tempted to take Antichrist's Mark of the Beast?

    To bow down and Worship the Antichrist?

    To be hunted like an animal by Antichrist's evil agents and taken to either take The Mark or be beheaded for the Testimony of Jesus ?

    To suffer screaming hunger and thirst because she has no way to get either?

    All believers who have been born again throughout human history?

    There is no scripture for what you preach.

    Your love of your own point of view endangers others.
  • Bob Hilt
    Mishael, the trouble with pre tribbers is they do not understand the difference between the wrath of God and judgment.

    10 of the 12 apostles died for their faith. Stephen died for his faith. Paul died for his faith.

    Millions of Christians, in the last 100 years, died for their faith in communist Russia.

    Yet pre tribbers do not feel they would ever have to suffer the same fate?

    The wrath of the devil and the wrath of God is not the same, sadly this point is lost on most it seems.

    Every time we show plain scriptures of those dying in tribulation in revelation for the faith, it is explained away as apply to the "Jews" during that time.

    As if the Lord would never allow his church to suffer.

    The Lord protected Noah IN the flood, the three Hebrew children IN the furnace of fire, Daniel IN the lions den. Yet Stephen died for his faith in Christ as did many millions of others, some in Communist Russia under Stalin in the last 100 years. Where was the rapture for them?

    Acts 12:1 - Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

    Acts 12:3 - And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

    It is the wicked who kill those who have the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Maybe watch TBN and the 700 club less and read the history of Christians under communism in Russia.
  • Bennet rowe
    I totally agree with you. I believe the Bible teaches those faithful saints that are still alive when the trump sounds, will leave this earth and meet him in the air. non saints will face eternal death which is eternal sepparation from god
  • Mishael
    It's a cheap shot to undermine the work of Christian Ministries. FYI I haven't had cable or streaming for the past 15 years! Satan owns cable.

    You explain things from history. If you want to see some history in the making, go on Jerusalem post today: history of modern Jewish wars With the neighbors, Russia, China, Syria, Iran and 2 others.

    People who argue the "Trib" theories are making bets in the dark.

    The right one, is be ready TODAY. You are in danger. You've committed to a Trib theory; but you also convince others that it's the right one. If we chose wrong; we go through the Tribulation and those who believed you. God gives us the freewill to make Choices: just like Adam & Eve.

    Everyone is held accountable for their choices!

    People that visit this room: you make your own choice! Don't follow after others. Read the Bible and ASK the HOLY SPIRIT to teach you to understand it. Quit depending on others to choose for you. Choose Jesus. GO WITH HIM. He said be ready NOW.

    Choose life with Jesus!

    Bob: I asked God to make it rain if Pretrib was truth, and guess what? It's raining!
  • D W L
    (Bob: I asked God to make it rain if Pretrib was truth, and guess what? It's raining!)

    John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. ---- NOTHING CAN BE ADDED

    Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
  • Child-like Faith by Mishael
    Did you see the comment AFTER that?

    Go to God and complain. He'll have to deal with me. I spoke of having a deepening relationship with the Godhead.

    Tomorrow, I'll do a study on debates, strivings, disputes. Lots of scripture on that!
  • Mishael on the Wonder of Gods Glory
    God and I enjoy all the weather together. He controls it every day. I was out there thinking out loud about arguments in here about Tribs, somewhat disgusted, and asked for rain. It was a mostly clear sky.

    God knows I adore rain with lightning because to me, I am seeing and hearing His voice. I know every attribute of Him and his Glory. I've had an awareness of God since I was 4. He wasn't a playmate! But He would be interested in things I would build: habitats. We like the same things. And we love beauty in the clouds.

    I wish everybody could enjoy the same awareness and closeness. I always thank Him for His time. I don't have to be in Church to sing to Him. He might put cotton in His ears, because I sound like a frog with a cold.
  • NuckNuck
    Mishae-I agree with you 100%
  • Jesse
    Bob,

    Are you referring to all pre-tribbers? If so, then you are completely off on your description of what I believe. There are many people who will die during the tribulation, who will be beheaded. These are not saved believers. These are those who refuse to worship the beast and take his mark.

    There will be two witnesses, the 144,000 Jews who will be evangelizing, and also an angel flying in mid-heaven for the first 3-1/2 years warning people not to take the mark or worship the beast. The witnesses are not witnessing to believers. And the people who are being warned during the tribulation period are the ones who are going to have to make a decision. The church (All believers) already made their choice.

    You say that "Every time we show plain scriptures of those dying in tribulation in revelation for the faith, it is explained away as apply to the "Jews" during that time."

    Well, I would never try and explain it away as applying to just the Jews. It will apply to everyone on this planet, Jew and Gentile both, every single person, no matter who they are. These will all be non-believers who will have to go through this time of judgment. They are the ones who will have to make the choice to take the mark or not take it.

    I do agree with you that many believers throughout the centuries have died for their faith, but we're talking about a whole different period of time, not the future 7-year period that is to come. I am one of those believers that knows full well that I can and should suffer for my faith. Jesus said we would suffer for our faith. But He never said I will suffer during the judgment that is to come on all those who reject Him. And like Paul, I would count it all joy to suffer for Christ's sake. However, my suffering is now, not alongside of a world that has rejected Christ and will suffer the consequence for it later.
  • D W L
    Are you referring to all pre-tribbers? If so, then you are completely off on your description of what I believe. There are many people who will die during the tribulation, who will be beheaded. These are not saved believers. These are those who refuse to worship the beast and take his mark.-----Revelation 13:16 And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
  • Mishael
    I don't discuss Trib Times anymore. The Lord said be ready to go Whenever. Why try to calculate? Don't say Maranatha if you don't really mean it.
  • Chris
    Joan, I think you've missed a very important part of this very sad account. So please don't be in tears about it. What happened in this account was that Ananias & Sapphira had conspired between themselves to declare to the apostles & believers that the money they were bringing as a gift was the full price of the sale of their land. This collection of monies (from Chapter 4:34), was being made for the poor believers in their midst. So people sold some of their possessions & brought in their money. However, Ananias & Sapphira, brought in only a part of their sale price but declared it as the full price - in other words they lied, & as Peter said, that they lied to the Holy Spirit.

    So, this type of sin may be a 'human thing', but should never be seen or heard of amongst believers. It was absolutely nothing wrong if they said: "our sincere apologies folks, but we can't donate the full amount of the sale of our land since we need some of it for ourselves, but please accept this portion of that amount". Had they said this, all would have been well for them & the believers would have been blessed for their honesty. But, sadly, they chose to lie, & may have done so to 'save face' & appear to others as being as generous as everyone else.

    Does this happen today? Of course, lies are prolific for all sorts of reasons, but to appear as someone better than others (i.e. to be admired or taken notice of), is this Christ's Spirit working in us or are we behaving in the 'flesh' & doing the works of Satan? I have heard, even from so-called Christians, that it is okay to tell a 'white lie' if it will help in some way. I'm sure you won't agree with this, as unbelievers, right from the top echelons of government to the lowliest impoverished street sleeper, freely engage in all manner of lying. The Lord sees & hears every word that we speak & knows every intent of the heart. For purity sake, Ananias & Sapphira were punished that the Church might learn the hard way.
  • Joan
    The story of Ananias and Saphira has always upset me, every time I read it. It seems to me that what they did was a very human thing, and certainly it was a sin; but the other people were giving everything they had, so it would have been embarrassing to admit that this was only a part of the sale price that they were bringing. It seems to me like a very harsh punishment. I'm crying!
  • Chris
    Joan, I think you've missed a very important part of this very sad account. So please don't be in tears about it. What happened in this account was that Ananias & Sapphira had conspired between themselves to declare to the apostles & believers that the money they were bringing as a gift was the full price of the sale of their land. This collection of monies (from Chapter 4:34), was being made for the poor believers in their midst. So people sold some of their possessions & brought in their money. However, Ananias & Sapphira, brought in only a part of their sale price but declared it as the full price - in other words they lied, & as Peter said, that they lied to the Holy Spirit.

    So, this type of sin may be a 'human thing', but should never be seen or heard of amongst believers. It was absolutely nothing wrong if they said: "our sincere apologies folks, but we can't donate the full amount of the sale of our land since we need some of it for ourselves, but please accept this portion of that amount". Had they said this, all would have been well for them & the believers would have been blessed for their honesty. But, sadly, they chose to lie, & may have done so to 'save face' & appear to others as being as generous as everyone else.

    Does this happen today? Of course, lies are prolific for all sorts of reasons, but to appear as someone better than others (i.e. to be admired or taken notice of), is this Christ's Spirit working in us or are we behaving in the 'flesh' & doing the works of Satan? I have heard, even from so-called Christians, that it is okay to tell a 'white lie' if it will help in some way. I'm sure you won't agree with this, as unbelievers, right from the top echelons of government to the lowliest impoverished street sleeper, freely engage in all manner of lying. The Lord sees & hears every word that we speak & knows every intent of the heart. For purity sake, Ananias & Sapphira were punished that the Church might learn the hard way.
  • MT
    God hate liars and so do I. Now to pretend that you have a certain amount of money when you have
    more is lying. If they were to give a portion to the God and then hold back they are not worthy of
    life. Lying to the Holy Spirit and God is punishable by death.Husband and Wife lying about money.
    To fall dead in the Church is even worse.What an example to the whole church. Yes! That was Fear
    worth having. These were church people who were liars. God will not allow this disrespect going on
    in his house.
  • Joe
    VS 13 durst no man join himself to them. vs 14 and believers were more added I do not understand these 2 verses, especially since they are back to back. Seems like vs 13 is saying no one else joined them, but then vs 14 says more believers were added. Will someone please explain?
  • Naomia
    Joe , Acts 5:13 And the rest durst no man join himself to them means not any of the other people (believers) followed after or did what Ananias and his wife did to lie to the Holy Spirit. Because fear came over the others when they saw that they died. And verse 14, mearns that even more people became believers or saved because of what happened and they now truly know that God was with Peter and had given him Holy Spirit and it's Power.
  • Cecil Gary
    Acts 5:13 says "And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them". The rest were afraid to join the group who held everything in common Acts 4:32 because of the death of Ananias and his wife. Notice the rest of Acts 5:13 says "but the people magnified the them" Apostles because they believed. So it is my understanding of Acts 5:13 is just because the rest were afraid to join themselves to the Apostles and the group of believers that had everything common, did not mean they did not believe. I hope this helps.
  • Patty Tozi
    God is Total Love. His Compassion is so Strong-- it helps us to take His Strength when we need it to move any mountain -and stand as a rock when we ask for His help. Evilness stands close..But your Father in Heaven gives us His Blessed Light of His Love to keeo us Safe!!!
  • Bonita R Kenney
    Amen, I thank God for today to still be taught the word of our Father God.
  • Gladfys Free
    after I read your commentary. I could see things I had never seen before.loved it.
  • Richard castillo
    I agree this commentary is helping me understand everything I read and see things better
  • Peter Karanja
    The apostles could not deny what they had seen and witnessed being done by the power of GOD. Even us today we cannot deny what JESUS is doing in our times The sick are healed, people are saved through the same NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
  • Jerry
    these bold disciples, who just weeks before were cowering in a secret hideout because of their fear of getting arrested and murdered like the Christ, were now proclaiming the gospel, tells me their testimony was indeed real. Once the Holy Spirit came and filled them, they had no more fear, because they KNEW Jesus was God...awesome!!
  • Cowboy 🐄
    History repeats itself when we act beyond reason before consulting God
  • BSP
    Verse 37~There have always been those who rise up in revolt and gain a number of follower. Eventually these people pass away and their follower are scattered. The only real solution to the problems we see today is the coming of God's Kingdom.
  • BSP
    Verse 41~Even after all the apostles went through, they went away rejoicing because they knew they had done the right thing in imitation of Jesus Christ.
  • Rachael faith
    Please stop it my Brothers and Sister's in Christ. The most important thing is JESUS CHRIST died on the cross for our sins. Now it's was a stalk they nail JESUS CHRIST to what is a stalk made of wood what is a tree made up with wood now it was shaped like a cross. JESUS CHRIST is coming soon we all need to REPENT of our sins. I do every day. Thank you JESUS CHRIST for savings me from those demons.
  • RayJay
    Pretty Amazing! After all, they just watched the sever and brutal crucifixion of Jesus, and here they are preaching in his name among those same people. I’d say that’s another strong testimony, perhaps not often mentioned
  • BSP
    Verse 32: God gives his holy spirit to those who obey him.


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