3 John Chapter 1 Discussion

  • Chris - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Thanks brother for that useful short Greek lesson. When you wrote "Ancient greek - Dee-oh-treh-feh(long)s", it seems that what Strong's has shown is very similar - so maybe this ancient Greek is what's being used.

    And then you mentioned, "Modern greek - Thee-oh-treh-fee(short)s, stressed in the last syllable." This was interesting, because in Hindi/Urdu, we have the 'heavy D' (the tongue dropping from the roof of the mouth) and the 'soft D' (tongue between the teeth). And then we get the 'aspirated D' (heavy D with air expelled). So I can appreciate that in Greek also, there are similar variations to alphabetical sounds.

    As for German, I did a year's study while at school. Was able to read it fairly well, but got only a little further than, 'ich bin, du bist, er ist, etc. etc.' Languages are wonderful - wish I had the gift to acquire them more easily & fully. Thanks again for taking the time to help us appreciate your wonderful language, that of the NT.
  • Giannis - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Chris.

    Sory for my delayed reply but I was not able to respond so far.

    Firstly you don't have to pronounce those names like greeks do, I am sure the English way is enough.

    But just for the sake of the conversation. Well some tips tips about greek pronunciation, we are going to need them.

    Vowels: "a" is pronounced as "ah", "i" as "ee"(short), "o" as "oh" , "e", this letter is used in Engl. to represant two different grk. letters 1. a letter called "epsilon" which is pronounced as "eh" and 2. a letter called "eta" which is pronounced as a long "eh" (ancient grk) or as "ee"(modern grk), "u" as "oo"(anc grk) or "ee"(mod. grk), "ou" as "oh-oo"(anc. grk) or "oo" (mod.grk).

    Syllables: Syllabes in greek are of the form consonant(or double/triple cons.)-vowel, a single vowel, very few times as cons-vowel-cons(usually at the end of the word) and rarely vowel-cons.(most often at the end).

    Consonants. With the letter "d" the grk letter "Delta" is represented. Delta is pron. as "d"(anc.grk) or "th"(mod. grk) like in the word "the"

    So lets try it: (I am writting the vowels as pronounced).

    Ancient greek- Dee-oh-treh-feh(long)s

    Modern greek- Thee-oh-treh-fee(short)s, stressed in the last syllable.

    Lets try another one"

    "Pantokrator Theos", greek for ""Almighty God"

    Tip: the combinaion "nt" is pronounced as "d" in mod. grk.

    So, it is "Pah-doh-krah-tohr Theh-ohs", stressed the first in "krah" and the second in "ohs", also the "r" is always pronounced at the end.

    Some more: Europe in ancient greek is "Eh-oo-roh-peh(long), stressed in "roh". Australia is "Ah-oo-strah-lee-a"

    Headache? Well, not surprised at all. The phonetics are so different. The same happened to me when I tried to learn German a few years ago, I was spraining my tongue all the time so I gave up at the end.

  • Chris - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Giannis. My submission to your request on the phonetic pronunciation of Diotrephes is, dee-ot-ref-ace. This is from Strong's Greek.
  • GiGi - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Giannis,

    Yes, it is a funny thing, as you say. We try our best, even with all of the Hebrew names and places in the O.T. But being able to pronounce names accurately is not necessary to understand Scripture, thankfully. I do appreciate your help with Greek. Thank you.
  • GiGi - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Linda

    In John 3:9 Paul is speaking about Diotrephes, who must have been a leader or elder in the congregation. Diotrephes was prideful, arrogant, and wanted to be the "top dog" in this congregation and to be admired by the congregants. He would not show hospitality to traveling missionaries such as Paul, refused them to enter their congregation and do any preaching, as he thought only he should preach. He also told the members of this congregation to not show hospitality, or meet with, or listen to these missionaries preach. If they did, Diotrephes put these members out of the church. He spoke maliciously about these traveling missionaries, disparaging them to those in his congregation. Diotresphes showed many signs of being an aberrant cult leader.
  • Giannis - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Linda

    Diotrephes? I always enjoy how English people try to pronounce greek names. Since phonetics are very different something that is very easy to pronounce in grk is very hard to pronounce in Eng. I'll wait until somebody answers and then I will tell you how it is pronounced in greek. (If you get a Spaniard or an Italian he'll get it right).
  • Sammi - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Diot tree fees , say those sylabils as I've written them . Diot , like diet but with o instead of an e , tree as in green trees and fees as in your fees that you pay to your bank etc . Don't worry too much about pronunciation , it's not greatly important . If you look around you might be able to find a Bible with the pronunciation symbols . I have one of those . I haven't read this Bible on line , I'm surprised they aren't included . If required I can tell you what the pronunciation symbols are but that would be pointless unless your Bible has them . My advice ? If these things bother you , go and buy a paper Bible with the pronunciation symbols . They aren't hard to get , I have several .
  • Linda Jenkins on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Could not understand verse 9 could not pronounce the name is there a clearer version of the book
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Mark 13, Matthew 24, yes, please read these chapters
  • Tracy Hardin on 3 John 1 - 1 year ago
    Jesus will return a second time ?
  • TWO ENOCH's IN THE BIBLE - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    Enoch (Hebrew: meaning "initiated") is a name in the Hebrew Bible used by two separate figures who lived during the generation of Adam.

    The first Enoch was the son of Cain.

    He is described as a son of Cain, and father of Irad. After Cain arrived in the Land of Nod, to which he was evicted by the Lord as his punishment for murdering his brother Abel. His wife became pregnant and bore Cain's first child, whom he named Enoch.

    The SECOND Enoch was a descendant of SETH, the third son of Adam, and great-grandfather of NOAH ( Genesis 5:22-29). SETH is the bloodline of Jesus Christ ancestors and Must Not be Confused with Cains ancestor.

    First Book of Enoch was at first accepted in the Christian Church but later excluded from the biblical canon. Its survival is due to the fascination of marginal and heretical Christian groups, such as the Manichaeans, with its syncretic blending of Iranian, Greek, Chaldean, and Egyptian elements.

    Justin, Athenagoras, Irenaeus, Clemens Alexandrinus, Lactantius, and others borrowed an opinion out of this Book of Enoch, that the angels had connection with the daughters of men, of whom they had offspring (Nephilim: 'the giants of the past'). Tertullian, in several places, speaks of this book with esteem; and would persuade us, that it was preserved by Noah during the deluge. The Book of Enoch, however, was rejected by Origen, Jerome and Augustin as spurious.

    [newworldencyclopedia DOT ORG]

    Mishael comment: there is Much confusion as to the First Enoch, son of CAIN (who was cursed by God), in Genesis.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 4, Genesis 5, Hebrews 11:5, Jude 1:14, KJV
  • Judah Michel on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    what really happen in the days of enoch
  • Shelly Draudt on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    Yes I do have a bible
  • Messenger - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    You are replying to a comment by "Tracy"

    Hello Tracy,

    Jehovah is a invisible spirit ( John 4:24) and doesn't need to dwell in physical creation.

    the point is, if we can see it literally this is not were God resides.

    So what is heaven? the Hebrew word means High or lofty.

    he is way superior in power. but we do have a fine example of

    his Almighty power by means of what he created like the sun for example. If a rocket can't land on the sun; this proves the power of God's invisible spirit. he can accomplish wonderful things in a instant, quicker then a blink. Romans 1:20; Genesis 1:1,2

    God shares his invisible presence with angels.- Hebrews 1:7
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    Precious Tracy, yes there are THREE heavens; Paul visited the "Third Heaven" ( 2 Corinthians 12:2)

    Here are more verses for "the heavens":


    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)

    God's Simple Will! {To Be SURE we are going to the "Third Heaven"}: Link

    Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love!
  • Tracy on 3 John 1 - 2 years ago
    Are there different levels of Heaven?
  • Elias on 3 John 1:4 - 2 years ago
    James 5:15 And the prayer of Faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. My question is WHAT IS THE PRAYER OF FAITH?
  • Richard in Christ on 3 John 1:2 - 3 years ago
    Zephaniah 1:14. The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

    Zephaniah 2:3. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

    2 Corinthians 4:5-7. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

    For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. Amen.
  • Millie - In Reply on 3 John 1:2 - 3 years ago
    Amen! Praise God!
  • Drea - In Reply on 3 John 1:2 - 3 years ago
    That's a great assessment- the soul seat of our emotions and the spirit working together. My testimony is this the scripture The Lord gave me when I was afflicted in my body. I kept healing scriptures before me, but this one scripture showed me that He cares about my situation and that He was EAGER to heal me. Surely it happened but I now see this scripture in a different light. He is a source of life and love. He doesn't come to condemn us but to set us free.
  • Anna on 3 John 1 - 3 years ago
    My soul prospers how?
  • Ebemba bitangacha on 3 John 1 - 3 years ago
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  • Chris - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 3 years ago
    There have been many opinions on this verse, indeed on this letter. The truth of the matter is that we don't know her name - it's not given anywhere in Scripture, & some even believing that the 'elect lady' actually refers to a Church & 'her children' being the congregation.

    Those that have attempted to give her a name, have simply used the Greek definition for "elect" (eklekte) & "lady" (Kuria) & so named her. But there is no certainty of this. We could also see a similar use of naming folk in Mark 3:17: "And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder." Because of their 'thunderous boldness' ( Luke 9:54, Mark 9:38), Jesus referred to them as 'Boanerges' (Ben-regesh).

    One could also assume that John referred to the "elect lady" (Eklekte Kuria) as such because it was not common to refer to women directly by name in a personal letter but he did so inferring her piety & kindness shown other believers, particularly to itinerant preachers passing by her way. Thus the warning also goes out to her about false Christs bringing false doctrines & teaching, even as he warned believers in his first epistle. Yet in his third epistle, John openly referred to Gaius (a man) by name with a similar testimony of his service as was shown by the elect lady in 2 John.
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on 3 John 1 - 3 years ago
    GOOD QUESTION, I have heard it said it is Mary, however i dont know.
  • Edwin Hale on 3 John 1 - 3 years ago
    Who is the Lady tha John speaks of in 2 John?
  • D W L on 3 John 1:2 - 3 years ago
    I Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

    6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
  • Chris - In Reply on 3 John 1:4 - 3 years ago
    All we are told in Revelation chapter 19, is that a voice spoke from the (midst) of God's Throne (verse 5). This was not God's Voice nor His Son's, but apparently an angel assigned in regards to the Holiness of God. Elsewhere, as in the Ark of the Covenant, two images of Cherubs were positioned on either side of the Ark. So, it could be assumed that a Cherub or angel from God's Throne spoke to John. Also, we see in Revelation 22:8,9, a similar event, where John began to fall down before the "angel" but was forbidden to do so.

    As to Revelation 19:16, there can be no certainty as to where & why this inscription was placed there. A reasonable explanation could be that as the Lord Jesus, the Lord of Glory is seen coming as a horseman, outfitted for battle, his outer clothing (vesture) may have been an extended, fairly heavy tunic that was normally worn. This vesture had His Name inscribed on it & it was written on the tunic at about thigh level. It was common for notable persons (kings, warriors, etc.) from olden days to have their titles inscribed on their clothing & this might be seen of the coming Warrior King in the skies. But all this is only a supposition.
  • Penny Page-Davis on 3 John 1:4 - 3 years ago
    In Revelation 19:10 Who is talking when it says, "See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, etc.?

    In Revelation 19:16 Why were the words "King of Kings, And Lord of Lords" written on Jesus' thigh and not on a

    more obvious part of his body?
  • Lucifer - In Reply on 3 John 1:4 - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 14

    9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

    10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou (Satan) also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

    11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols (MUSIC): the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

    12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (Satan) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms?

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