2 Timothy Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Janet D - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    John

    Sorry to hear about that ex wife is in a nursing home. You being there for her, caring for her is a blessing-not only for her but for you. Though I understand it is not easy you will not regret it. Gods peace be with you and your family.
  • Suze - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    No , not Joel olsteen , I don't think much of him either . He focuses far to much on getting things in this life and being successful in this world . That's just my opinion , sorry if I've offended any one , I'm even sorry if I offended Joel olsteen but I have to say what I believe .
  • William on 2 Timothy 2
    2 Tim 2:8 ...What did Paul want Timothy to remember? Was he asking him to remember that Jesus Christ was the seed of David? That He was raised from the dead? No!!! He wanted him to remember or keep in mind that it was for the purpose that our risen Lord revealed to Paul and told him to preach "my gospel". It was the gospel according to the revelation of the mystery, not according to prophesy. Rom 16:25. It was the revelation of the Body of Christ and not the Kingdom of Israel. It was about salvation without works, Rom 11:6 not salvation with works. Salvation by faith with works is the gospel of the Kingdom and why James insisted that is was not faith alone. That gospel will be preached after the Body of Christ is removed from the earth and the judgment of God begins to be poured out in the 70th week of Daniel, the tribulation. It was kept secret until reveled to Paul, Eph 3:1-5. Not what Christ gave to Peter and the other apostles when Christ was on earth and in Acts 2-3.

    If you begin to rightly divide the word of God, you will see this difference and all the seeming contradictions facing the vast majority of Christians today will disappear. 2Tim 2:15

    For more info Listen to David Osteen (not joel olsteen) on Hope Bible Church Ga Internet or YouTube. Also Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassadors or David Reid at Columbus Bible Church.

    May the Holy Spirit of God be your teacher.
  • John - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    I'm replying because I'm new to this and I apologize but I I think this text was from me for me I'm not sure I take care of my ex-wife she's in a nursing home she suffers recently 52 if this replies to me thank you
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hi John. Just to add to Kay's very good points, something which does help both in identifying with the sufferer & giving of yourself to the one in pain, is doing what the Lord puts on your heart to be an instrument of blessing.

    We can never hope or expect to help every suffering person/child in the world, but by understanding the reason for suffering (as Kay has shared), we can take it further in expressions of faith & love. No doubt you pray for those you know who maybe going through various trials (family, friends, the street dwellers in your city, single parents) & those in other countries where famine, wars, disease may be rampant. When we come expectantly to God in prayer, we can truly believe that He is ministering to the hurting in ways that may be beyond our imagination.

    If we're able, we can help practically to those we can physically contact, whether in gifts of food, clothing, or even a listening ear & a guiding hand. I write this not just to pacify your heart, but also that you may know that whatever contribution you make to help others at home or abroad, given in the spirit of godly love & concern, will bring the desired results. There are so many people & organizations that are heavily involved in this very matter, because like you, the thought of men, women & children in pain is so disturbing. Now if everyone can have such concern & practically help others, so much suffering in the world will be relieved. And when believers do so, helping others in the Name of the Lord, the Lord's Name is magnified & the witness of Divine Love becomes evident to them & their ears & hearts are open.

    As has been said, pain & suffering will always be with us - our sin & corrupt nature guarantees that - but expressions of the Love of God in practical ways will help many & even be the catalyst for the suffering heart to be open as the Spirit leads His servants to them. Often we're just one small cog in God's great ministry to the practically & spiritually needy.
  • Kay - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    The subject of suffering in the world is something that we humans struggle with, so for sure, your struggle, John, is a very common one. :)

    There are a couple of thoughts I'd like to share, if I may.

    First of all, when I see suffering, it reminds me of the seriousness of sin. From the beginning, sin causes death. God warned our first parents that if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die; and they surely did die spiritually for their disobedience.

    We too, learn in Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death. It is sin that brings death and misery into this world. When I see the headlines - they scream out, "SIN!" What misery sin brings upon lives! The sinner himself or herself is injured by it, and most often - others are injured by it! Sin brings its own punishment, and it always has consequences!

    Secondly, our Good God allow suffering to be his 'sheep dogs' that often drive wandering souls back to Him. David said in Psalm 119:67, "Before I was AFFLICTED, I went astray." When everything is going well - how quickly we wander far from God in our vain confidence! Remember - when Israel prospered and 'waxed fat', THEN 'they kicked against the Lord" in idolatry!!

    Thirdly, the problems and suffering of this world help us to long for the new heavens and earth, wherein righteousness will dwell. The suffering here makes us wish for 'there'!! The suffering 'here' hinders us from desiring to put our roots down here, and hinders us from making this sad world our 'all in all", which is a BLESSING! How tragic for those who love this world and the things in it! It is all a delusion, and it is all passing away!

    May the Lord help you understand the good that can be found even in suffering, John. :)

    Blessings!
  • John on 2 Timothy 2
    If you stride for the Love of Jesus the love that he wants you to have his love how do you deal with that you do not like suffering in this world I know that it's done for a reason I just don't like people suffering if I'm doing this incorrect I apologize thank you
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} God's ETERNAL Assurance on 2 Timothy 2
    Part I

    2 Timothy 2:19 Has CHRIST "Always 'Known' HIS members Of The Body Of CHRIST"?

    Most Assuredly, He Is Omniscient; According To ALL God-Inspired Scriptures!:

    "According as He Hath Chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" Ephesians 1:4

    Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted Ephesians 1:4-6

    God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance Ephesians 1:11

    Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of "The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST" Which Are "...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!" Ephesians 3:8,11

    God Justified/Predestinating us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON! Romans 8:29

    And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified! Romans 8:30

    "...If God Be For us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:31 Cancels ALL else, Correct?

    "Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God's elect? It Is God Who Justifies us!" Romans 8:33

    God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans 9:23

    "God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!" Romans 11:2

    "Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!" 2 Timothy 1:9

    "In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!" Ephesians 1:7

    we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us! Romans 8:34

    In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans 8:2

    The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans 8:9

    we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father! Romans 8:15

    "The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit, that we Are the children of God!" Romans 8:16

    God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2 Corinthians 1:20

    God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2 Corinthians 1:22

    cont'd in Part II
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} God's ETERNAL Assurance on 2 Timothy 2
    Part II God's ETERNAL Assurance

    ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts 15:8 Romans 8:27

    "That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST! In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!" Ephesians 1:12-14

    "Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!" 2 Corinthians 1:22

    "And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" Ephesians 4:30

    "And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!" 1 Corinthians 6:11

    "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!" 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" Titus 3:5

    God's OPERATION?:

    God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians 1:12

    God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians 1:13

    God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians 1:14

    God Justified us "...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" Romans 3:24

    God "Reckons Debt To those proud who work" For Salvation! Romans 4:4

    In GRACE, To him/her "that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!" Romans 4:5

    God, Through Paul, States: "...David also describeth the blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth righteousness Without works!" Romans 4:6

    to be continued in Part III
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} God's ETERNAL Assurance on 2 Timothy 2
    Part III God's ETERNAL Assurance

    "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!" Romans 4:7-8

    YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:

    "But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if, when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!" Romans 5:8-10

    God's All-Sufficient GRACE?

    "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!" Romans 5:17

    "And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints According To The Will Of God!" Romans 8:27

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    God's OPERATION!:

    [ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"

    Expounded:

    PAST Tense = { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! } "Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}

    PRESENT Tense = { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! } ...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}

    FUTURE Tense = { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?} ...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!} 2 Corinthians 1:10

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    All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE! {NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}

    Precious struggling friend(s):

    Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT for you?

    To be continued in Part IV
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} God's ETERNAL Assurance on 2 Timothy 2
    Part IV God's ETERNAL Assurance

    Conclusion:

    "...The [Solid] Foundation Of God Standeth Sure, Having This SEAL: The LORD KNOWETH them That Are HIS!..." 2 Timothy 2:19

    Note the 'Contrast' of Matthew 7:21-23, where "Those That 'are Not His'" He Has "NEVER KNOWN" them. Plain and Clear, Correct?

    Do we Believe ALL Of These Scriptures, so we can answer This? Are we prepared for:

    Accountability for our fellowship {NOT God's Relationship!} At Judgment, By "The Righteous Judge Himself"? Eternally Saved, But "Gain OR LOSE rewards!" 1 Corinthians 3:8-15?

    And, Precious friend(s), please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST, And In HIS Precious Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth!

    Both The Living Word, And, HIS Written Word, Are Trustworthy! Correct?

    Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!!

    To The Praise Of The Glory Of HIS Wonderful GRACE!

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,? )

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Excellent points, brother ChrisE. Many fail because we approach the Word with preconceived notions & beliefs & then make the Word fit our beliefs. I'm often left in amazement & horror by what people can do with God's Word. But, in the end, all will be revealed as we may all have to humble ourselves before the Giver of Truth.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 2 Timothy 2
    7 Excellent Rules for Knowledgeable Bible study!:

    1) Let ALL things be done Decently and In Order! 1 Co 14:40

    2) Study ALL Scripture Rightly Divided!:

    "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!" ( 2 Timothy 2:15)

    3) Never add to or take away From God's Holy Word! Deu 4:2, Deu 12:32; Rev 22:18,19

    4) Be noble students: These (in Berea) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received The Word with all readiness of mind, and searched The Scriptures daily, Whether Those Things Were So! Acts 17:11

    5) Build Sound Doctrine, God's Way!:

    a) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little! Isa 28:10

    b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine!: ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works! 2 Ti 3:16-17

    c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a specific doctrine!: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual! 1 Co 2:13 {Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}

    6) The Best 'Interpretive' Commentary On The Bible Is: The BIBLE Itself! Never interpret the Plain Scriptures by the few difficult verses, but ALWAYS interpret the few obscure and difficult verses by ALL Of The Many Plain and Clear Passages Of God's Holy Word!

    + 1 Final Excellent Rule for Knowledgeable BIBLE study!:

    7) In order to Honor The Father And The SON John 5:22-23, in Preparation For Judgment, Always keep in mind: Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do ALL to The Glory Of God! 1 Cor 10:31

    And then we can ALL, in UNITY Of The Spirit... Eph 4:3: ...speak the things which become sound doctrine Tit 2:1 cp SAME mind And judgment 1 Co 1:9-10
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 2 Timothy 2
    ( 2 Timothy 2:15)? Precious friends, please consider, if you will, this "VERY Brief" Intro!:

    "Prophecy/Law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE apostles, gospel of the kingdom, ISRAEL prominent {past/future} - Question: Is This "God's pattern" for us today? Or:

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    "Mystery/GRACE!" {Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile "Equal!" {Current, Today!} for The Body Of CHRIST! CHRIST, And ONE apostle TO THE GENTILES!

    Is this our Godly "Pattern to follow!" ( 1 Timothy 1:16) compare: ( 1 Corinthians 4:16) ( 1 Corinthians 11:1)?

    Please be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, and Edified, on your journey "Approved Unto God!" Amen?
  • Zelma - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    2 Timothy 2

    Hello Helen,

    Just a few scriptures that say about the bride/bridegroom.

    Matthew 25:1-46 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

    Ephesians 5:27 - That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    Mark 2:19-20 - And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

    Revelation 19:7-9 - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (Read More...)

    Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    Isaiah 54:5 - For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

    Zelma Shalom
  • Jesse - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hi Mishael,

    I must have missed your posting on this over a year ago. I also posted the 7 Steps of a Jewish wedding a long while back, probably over a year ago, maybe two? You may not have read what I had posted on the 7 steps. If you could see what I posted and what you just posted, you would be "blown away" that we both said the exact same thing. I just think that it's sort of eerie that we would both post the exact same thing word for word. I mean literally word for word in all seven steps. What are the odds of that?

    If you don't mind me asking, where did you get those 7 steps of a Jewish wedding from? What I shared came from a pastor whose ministry I sat under for several years. I took it from an audio transcript from one of his bible studies I attended. This was about 10 years ago. I also have the written transcript of his audio. I just read it and it matches perfectly word for word the same thing you and I both posted.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    I posted over a year ago because of a Song of Solomon and Ten Virgins study; that was tying into a rapture explanation. It was very exciting to see it coincide with how the Father of a Jewish groom controls timing.

    Although I think the 10 virgins is more compelling.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Dear "Timing of a Jewish wedding,"

    Is this something you came up with? It looks like a copy word for word of what I posted a while back on the 7 Steps of a Jewish wedding. I'm just curious because it looks like an exact copy of my post?

    Either way, I've shared this before and it is very fascinating. Thanks for reposting!
  • Timing of a Jewish Wedding - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Helen,

    The Rapture (caught up) precedes this wedding.

    1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.

    2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.

    3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.

    4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and WHEN he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.

    5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.

    6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.

    7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing. It occurs in heaven.

    Get saved NOW!!
  • Suziq - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hello Adam ,Genesis ch4 tell us of Cains murder of Abel ,its only my opinion ,it seems to me that Cain was jealous / envious because God had respect towards Abels offering and Cains offering was inferior ,i think its worth noting that when God gave the statutes regarding sacrifices to Moses that God commanded thet everone should offer the same things ,thereby ensuring that no one felt inferior or superior because they were able to and did offer more or less that was required ,therefore no one could be jealous or proud regarding their offerings to God . No hard feelings between brethren ,which is nice .
  • Adam - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    I think Cain just chose evil, like so many do. Everyone has freewill to choose. And most will choose evil and will go to hell. That's the sad reality. Jesus died for you and many don't respect or value that and when they sin its like slapping Jesus in the face and makes a big statement. I don't believe Cain is from Satan. I think he was just a human with freewill like everyone else who will go to hell for his stupid worldly decisions.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hi Charles,

    Answers to both your questions.

    Genesis 3:20. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

    Genesis 4:1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    Pretty Direct.
  • Charles Urban on 2 Timothy 2
    Could Cane have come from the seed of Satan ?
  • Charles Urban on 2 Timothy 2
    Did Adam have 2 wives ?
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Go to this website and read that teaching. I don't know what your situation is, but I hope this helps you. Let me know.

    EnduringWord dot com

    You'll have to key in 2 Timothy 2
  • Successful Googling for class - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    You can Google those books and see other people's Commentaries. ie Matthew Henry

    Type the book or scripture

    1 Timothy, Commentary. Or

    1 Timothy, Teaching. Or

    1 Timothy, History

    1 Timothy 1, Teaching
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hi Amon.

    What's the Question?

    GB.
  • Amon on 2 Timothy 2
    Questions for quiz on 1st Timothy chapter 1and 2
  • CREEDS - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    THE APOSTLES CREED

    I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.

    And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit; Born of the Virgin Mary; Suffered under Pontius Pilate; Was crucified, dead and buried; He descended into Hell; The third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven; And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit; The Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body; And the life everlasting. Amen.

    THE NICENE CREED

    I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father, through Whom all things were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man: Who for us, too, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, suffered, and was buried: the third day He rose according to the Scriptures, ascended into heaven, and is seated on the right hand of the Father: He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom shall have no end.

    And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son: Who together with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified: Who spoke by the prophets.

    And I believe one holy, Christian, and apostolic Church.

    I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins, and I look for the resurrection of the dead and life of the age to come.

    Amen.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2
    Hi Christine,

    You stated "Christ died to change the world"

    The scripture doesn't say Christ came to "change" the world. He came so those who receive him might have life, and that's "EVERLASTING LIFE" and fellowship with the Father.

    Now he put his Spirit in us/ believers and the Holyspirit spirit changes us, ( providing his Spirit dwells in us ).

    Here's just a few of many scriptures:

    1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Matthew 20:28. Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    1 Timothy 2:5-6. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    Maybe there's others who would like to elaborate.

    God bless you.


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