2 Thessalonians Chapter 1 Discussion

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  • Sheila Hyatt for verse 8
    In 1 Thess 1:8 what does it mean to "obey the Gospel..."?
  • Jesse for verse 8

    This is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 1:8: It says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

    In flaming fire taking vengeance on (two kinds of non-believers): on them that do not know God, and those that do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    There is a difference. The second ones are people who just reject the truth when they hear the gospel. The first ones about knowing God, are those people that have had it revealed to them, as Paul calls it in Romans Chapter 1 that through nature, through creation, God has manifested Himself that He is real and that there is God.

    They might not have ever heard the gospel, but Paul says in Romans Chapter 1 that the testimony of God is in every person's heart that enters into this world, so that no one can stand before Him with an excuse.

    Even if they never hear, the bible says that the Holy Spirit is using creation as a testimony to people's hearts. So both kinds of non-believers will be judged with vengeance from God.

    I hope this helps!
  • Chris for verse 8
    Jesse, when I saw your mention of: "the Holy Spirit is using creation as a testimony to people's hearts" & "through nature, through creation, God has manifested Himself that He is real and that there is God", I immediately remembered a quote from Abraham Lincoln written in the margin of my Bible at Psalms 19:1-6. It is:

    "I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

    Shouldn't the beauty & majesty of Creation provoke mankind to search out the Living God & He is ever waiting to hear that call (Jeremiah 29:13). And even the Gospel of Christ comes with the same Glory, yet the value of the Gift of God is deemed weak by many because they prefer to try and earn their way into Heaven.
  • Jesse for verse 8

    That is a great quote from a great man. It paints a picture of so many things in my mind. Our focus should not be on the horizontal, but the vertical. I am going to print this quote out and put it up in my office. Thank you so much for sharing this!
  • D W L
    There is a lot I don't know or understand but I do understand these commands that Jesus give. What is important is be ready -- Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also READY: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
  • BSP
    Verse 3~The congregation was abounding in love and charity towards one another and today we should follow that same example in the congregation.
  • A disciple
    "..your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:" It should not offend us that God tries our hearts and proves our faith by trial of fire. The precious and godly character must be purified and separated from the reprobate.
  • Ray321
    2 Thessalonians 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Let Jesus Christ have all the glory with the power of God. Always loving Jesus.
  • Ray321
    Irene123, your right, we are not here to bully people in words of anger for our pride of the God's Word. But, we are here to worship God in truth and honor. When Adam ate of the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil, Satan took control of this world. Now God has to redeem of back by sending his Son Jesus Christ. That is all explain in all of Apostle Paul's episode. God bless you
  • Irene123
    V. 8 - "In flaming fire ... on those who know not God ..."; this is exactly why we are here now - and not in heaven as soon as we are saved - to try to pull 'those' out of the fire - hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. We're not here to 'rail' on those who don't know or are obtuse enough to think they know; we are to pray for and love ALL mankind.
  • Immanuel
    Don't act like you serve GOD.
  • Word
    Bruce. Comfort Is because Paul had a bunch of mourners worried about where their loved ones had gone when they had departed. Paul letting them know that as Christ had rose from the dead their loved one also had rose and when Christ returns their love ones will also return. Air here is spirit breath of life, spiritual bodies. Clouds is as the race Paul spoke of crowd.All changed one time 7th Trump.
  • Word
    1 Thessalonians 4 is where are the dead and they are returning with Christ 7th trump and we can't proceed them. Why? Because they are with Him coming here to set up His Kingdom and when He returns to Jerusalem which is the gathering place for all those worshipping a fake Christ that is instead of Christ which is to say antichrist the land will be flattened, hail stones fire. But we who wait will be fine.
  • Clemestine Martin
    The word is unto the church to encourage them to stand with each other's and that God will revenge his people. Also to the unbelievers to get it right.
  • Bruce
    word: For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voice of the Archangel,with the trump of God:and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the Clouds to meet the Lord in the air:so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Thessalonians 4:16-18. "Fly away"Rapture
  • Irene123
    Vs. 7-9; this is AFTER the 1,000 yr. reign, when this present earth and all those who refused Jesus are cast into the lake of fire - FOREVER. 'Hell' is now; the Lake of Fire is what even hell is going to be cast into, Revelation 20:14
  • Irene123
    To Brianna 10 mos. ago - quote, "The question then is: when?" unquote. Acts 1:7
  • Word
    Jim read Ezekiel 13 and you will learn that preachers who dream up things out of their own minds. It also talks about prophets but male and female that hide Gods plan of salvation from his out reached loving hands and arms and then goes into those preachers who God hates that teach his children to fly to save their souls. Just so you get prepared antichrist comes no buying selling 3 months.
  • Jim
    Paul is encouraging those believers that God will avenge those who are persecuting them. Our good Lord has it all under control whether it seems like it or not. The rapture will take place, the man of sin will be revealed and finally the Lord will take His vengeance We who are truly born again do not need to worry at all or be afraid. We are the object of Christ's love! His body and bride!
  • BSP
    Verse 6 is a good point to keep in mind that God is righteous or just and he will repay tribulation to those who trouble us.
  • Mukama jasper
    i bless the lord for all that is a portrait in the old covenant, for his first coming to redeem us and the awaited second coming unto glorification. amen come lord jesus.
  • Brianna
    Verses 6,7 are a real good point to keep in mind. It talks about how God will repay tribulation to those making tribulation for us. Tee question then is: when?
    vs. 7 Jehovah will avenge his loyal ones once and for all at the day he appoints his king Jesus Christ to judge the world.
  • Norm
    Matthew 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come and even now already is it in the world. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
  • Word
    Sandy When the son of perdition man of sin gets here and claims to be God the Saviour and people are worshipping him because they think he is CHRIST but the election escape the hour of temptation because they cannot be tempted because they know it's Satan with power deceiving the whole world saying he is Jesus. see this No buying or selling stock food pay bill for 2 an half months. July thru Sept.
  • Sandy
    Is the time of the man of sin going on now?
  • Wayne
    Remember one another in your prayers, and the other. That the glory of God maybe seen by the unbeliever by your faith. For this is the love of God in you .A vessel filled with the gifts of God. For we are one body one church; Jesus Christ.
  • Herminia
    Paul understood that believers are the church of God in Jesus Christ. God the Father entrusted the gospel to Paul to strengthen his brothers in faith and love toward one another and to all men. Paul 's glory was their patients and faith during times of persecution and suffering for the sake of the gospel. Jesus chose Paul, and told him how much he would suffer for the sake of the gospel. Those we are born again are chosen by God, and they will also suffer for the sake of the gospel. But we are to counted all joy that we are counted worthy of God 's kingdom. God is righteous, and we will suffer for his goodness. God will bring suffering on them that trouble us.
  • Mine'
    God 's will is that our faith and love grows exceedingly when we give him thanks in everything we do. Also nothing should touch our lips without giving him thanks. Those who work for our Lord Jesus Christ are highly treated with love and respect, for the sake of work of the Lord. We walk worthy of God 's calling treating all people with support, comfort, kindness, and love. Paul assures the Thessalonians that we are children of the Light, and the children of the day. No one knows the time and the season but there is not concern for us when he comes. When he comes it will be without warning, but God has not appointed us to his anger. Jesus died for us. Romans 8:31-38 He who spared not his Son, but gave Him up for us all, will he not also freely give us all things? Destruction will not over takes us, because we are in Jesus! Our rejoicing and glory is in our brothers and sister whom the Lord God has saved. Knowing that the Heavenly Father has chosen us in His Son Jesus.
  • Idise Patricia for verse 6
    I think it is best to hand over every problem to God and allow him to handle it. He knows best how and when to do it. Because we are humans, we often judge in error but God who sees in secrets knows all. He said, vengeance is mine, i will recompense and because by two immutable in which God cannot lie, he will definitely pay back those who afflict us.

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