2 Thessalonians Chapter 1 Discussion

  • Richard H Priday on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 1 year ago
    This chapter gets into the trials and tribulations of the saints (v. 4); and the subsequent judgment of God in verse 6. One can't help but wonder how great the accumulated sins from the dawn of the church age until now is; and how it factors into wrath once it finally transpires.

    (see Rev. 18:5).

    Verses 7 through 10 make it clear that indeed the return of Christ; destruction of enemies (in Armageddon and judgment in hell); as well as our promotion ruling and reigning on earth in the Millennial period (verse 10) factors in. There are 3 passages that state every knee shall bow and every tongue confess ( Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:10 and Romans 14:11).

    We are not to seek vengeance ( Romans 12:19). However; we are doing God no favors by attempting to dampen down a character attribute that He has; in this case rewarding His saints and punishing the wicked. Perhaps those who being persecuted are the best examples of those who understand the need for Divine justice. The saints under the throne in Revelation certainly aren't scolded for asking "how long" ( Rev. 6:9); with response in verses 10-11. With Paul and the churches under heavy persecution at this time this was a necessary statement; and the frequent reminder to endure until the end. In order to warn others of the wrath to come; we certainly must believe in eternal judgment and a literal hell.

    If we think people simply cease to exist (or are annihilated) it dumbs down the message and doesn't help anyone to have full conviction of sin ( John 16:8-11).
  • Mark Valesano on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 1 year ago
    In regards to James Davis' query on the city of our Father in OT. The only description provided can be found in Ezekial and mainly deals with the new Temple that will be there. The actual description of the city (New Jerusalem) can be found in Revelation.
  • Walter Daugherty on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 2 years ago
    Satan always starts with an if. Satan then offers something in exchange.. Satan has not improved his method ,it has worked time and time again for him. We see that strong delusion in or government today. We are not to be ignorant about what is taking place. It will end with the coming of Jesus.
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:6 - 3 years ago
    Ultimately, you certainly did the right thing by leaving off the debt & committing him to the Lord. But was it really a debt that he owed you, or did you gift him the money because of love & concern for his life? Usually, a debt to be paid needs a written declaration, or else it can be construed as a gift with no compulsion to repay. Whatever, I'm sure you have received the greater blessing for your kindness.
  • Eliot on 2 Thessalonians 1:6 - 3 years ago
    Someone was really sick. And had no money or insurance. I thought it was pneumonia. So I sold my diving tanks along with all the equipment to dive , everything. I sold it really cheep to obtain money quickly. Well , the person never paid me and after repeated times knocking on his door with no answer I gave up. The person who needed medical help pulled through with God's help. But I wonder how the dive trip ended out for him. I wanted revenge at first but backed away and moved on. That happened 40 years ago while traveling in San Bernardino California.

    I had some idea about our God and Jesus Christ but didn't really understand much of the Bible until lately and the Commentary on 1 Thessalonians 1-6 brought this all back to mind. So now instead of revenge I prayed for him not knowing if he was alive or dead.
  • The Prayer of the Destitute - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    Psalms 102:17

    17 He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.

    18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.

    19 For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;

    20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;

    21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

    In Matthew 6, there is a passage on unforgiveness against others, that prevents the Lord from acting on OUR petitions, or prayers.

    Mishael: thank God that everyone has a chance to get things right with God.
  • James Davis on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    I have a question of where the old testament gives full description of the city of our Father (heaven)
  • John on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    What does the son of man mean?
  • Edward Elliott on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    God only hears the prayers of people asking for salvation and those who have already received Jesus as their Saviour.
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    Yes Debbie we will pray for her
  • Debbie Shirk on 2 Thessalonians 1:11 - 3 years ago
    Hello, are you a Reformed Faith Christian following Pastor John MacArthur? Justin Peters? Sproul?

    Would you suggest a prayer I could send to my childhood friend who is hospitalized w COVID and now has blood clots in her lungs and legs?

    ...And please would you also pray for her?

    Thank you.
  • Rob on 2 Thessalonians 1:6 - 3 years ago
    2 Thessalonians 1.6

    Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you .

    I do pray for all of these that they learn their lesson and find mercy in the end .

    God is merciful and will forgive sins , but woe to them that offend one of these little ones ! ....
  • Mishael - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    Your spirit returns to God UNTIL the moment of the Rapture, when your body will be transformed into your new resurrected body, and joined to your own spirit; in the clouds with Jesus.

    We'll never again feel exhausted, depressed, angry, or old. Yay!!
  • Suzann on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    1 Thessaloniki 4:16, Do this verse mean when we die and are buried, do we as believers lie in the ground until Christ returns? Or when we die, do we go to heaven then?
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    I'll add Galatians 2:20 to Hugo's list:

    "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me".
  • Hugo Zyl - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    God bless you brother Richard

    Perhaps James 5:16 - ...confess your sins to one another...

    Or 1 Peter 3:15 - ... and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you...

    Or perhaps John 20:23 -...whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them...

    It could be Romans 1:16 - ...I am not ashamed of the gospel...

    Love in Christ
  • Richard McVeigh on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    I would like to know what bible verse is proclaim to man about my faith?
  • Word 76 on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 3 years ago
    Those that didn't wait for the True Christ and followed the first false messiah the antichrist who stands up in Jerusalem claiming he is God and he has supernatural powers so the world believe he is what he says he is and Christian who follow him did not obey the truth of the Gospels so they are in big trouble. They listen to a liar who claims he is going to fly them away and other lies.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:8 - 3 years ago

    That is a great quote from a great man. It paints a picture of so many things in my mind. Our focus should not be on the horizontal, but the vertical. I am going to print this quote out and put it up in my office. Thank you so much for sharing this!
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:8 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, when I saw your mention of: "the Holy Spirit is using creation as a testimony to people's hearts" & "through nature, through creation, God has manifested Himself that He is real and that there is God", I immediately remembered a quote from Abraham Lincoln written in the margin of my Bible at Psalm 19:1-6. It is:

    "I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

    Shouldn't the beauty & majesty of Creation provoke mankind to search out the Living God & He is ever waiting to hear that call ( Jer 29:13). And even the Gospel of Christ comes with the same Glory, yet the value of the Gift of God is deemed weak by many because they prefer to try and earn their way into Heaven.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 1:8 - 3 years ago

    This is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 1:8: It says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

    In flaming fire taking vengeance on (two kinds of non-believers): on them that do not know God, and those that do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    There is a difference. The second ones are people who just reject the truth when they hear the gospel. The first ones about knowing God, are those people that have had it revealed to them, as Paul calls it in Romans Chapter 1 that through nature, through creation, God has manifested Himself that He is real and that there is God.

    They might not have ever heard the gospel, but Paul says in Romans Chapter 1 that the testimony of God is in every person's heart that enters into this world, so that no one can stand before Him with an excuse.

    Even if they never hear, the bible says that the Holy Spirit is using creation as a testimony to people's hearts. So both kinds of non-believers will be judged with vengeance from God.

    I hope this helps!
  • Sheila Hyatt on 2 Thessalonians 1:8 - 3 years ago
    In 1 Thess 1:8 what does it mean to "obey the Gospel..."?
  • D W L on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 4 years ago
    There is a lot I don't know or understand but I do understand these commands that Jesus give. What is important is be ready -- Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also READY: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
  • Psulmorgan on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 5 years ago
    Love..is.g OK od
  • BSP on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 6 years ago
    Verse 3~The congregation was abounding in love and charity towards one another and today we should follow that same example in the congregation.
  • A disciple on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 6 years ago
    "..your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:" It should not offend us that God tries our hearts and proves our faith by trial of fire. The precious and godly character must be purified and separated from the reprobate.
  • Ray321 on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 6 years ago
    2 Thessalonians 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Let Jesus Christ have all the glory with the power of God. Always loving Jesus.
  • Ray321 on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 7 years ago
    Irene123, your right, we are not here to bully people in words of anger for our pride of the God's Word. But, we are here to worship God in truth and honor. When Adam ate of the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil, Satan took control of this world. Now God has to redeem of back by sending his Son Jesus Christ. That is all explain in all of Apostle Paul's episode. God bless you
  • Irene123 on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 7 years ago
    V. 8 - "In flaming fire ... on those who know not God ..."; this is exactly why we are here now - and not in heaven as soon as we are saved - to try to pull 'those' out of the fire - hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. We're not here to 'rail' on those who don't know or are obtuse enough to think they know; we are to pray for and love ALL mankind.
  • Immanuel on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 7 years ago
    Don't act like you serve GOD.

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