2 Samuel Chapter 13 Discussion

  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13
    Which Tamar? There are 2.


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  • Belinda on 2 Samuel 13
    How would you counsel Tamar, Amnon, Absalom, and David in 2 Samuel 13?
  • Belinda on 2 Samuel 13
    How would you counsel Tamar?
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  • For Your Information the Third Eye on 2 Samuel 13:20
    Question: "What does the Bible say about a sixth sense / third eye?"

    Answer: The movie entitled The Sixth Sense stirred up a renewed interest in the ability to see "dead people," and/or communicate with the spirit world. Television shows titled Medium and Ghost Whisperer continue the trend. Is it truly possible to see the spirits of dead people? Is there such a thing as a "sixth sense" or "third eye"?

    A sixth sense can also be described as ESP, or extra-sensory perception. Extra-sensory perception is the means by which we acquire information through any sense other than the five basic senses (sight, smell, taste, touch, and hearing) or other well-documented scientific physiological senses. Depending on one's culture and beliefs, a sixth sense can be attributed to anything from the spiritual to the technological.

    Parapsychology addresses certain types of ESP-such as those possessed by psychics and mediums-including clairvoyance, telekinesis, and communication with the dead. The Bible makes it clear that these types of experiences should be avoided. We should not exercise any sort of spiritual abilities outside the realm of what the Bible deems acceptable, nor should we consult with anyone who does so.

    If such a thing as a sixth sense or third eye truly exists, it is not of God. Those who claim to practice such abilities are either deceivers, self-deceived, and/or under the power of demonic forces. Leviticus 19:31 says, "Do not rely on mediums and psychics, for you will be defiled by them. I, the Lord, am your God." Consulting spiritists is foolish and angers the Lord ( 2 Chronicles 33:6). Acting as a medium or psychic was punishable by Death.

    You need to stop doing this. It throws open a big wide door for demons to come I and make things happen.
  • Stan - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    It simply means God changed His mind about what He was going to do.
  • Johnnie Rasberry on 2 Samuel 13:20
    What does it mean to say it repenteth the Lord? Geneses 6:7.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    We certainly can't do it - but the power & authority given to the Angel from Heaven, can & will do it at the end of Christ's Millennial reign on Earth: Revelation 20:10:

    "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
  • Christine Buonadonna on 2 Samuel 13:20
    How do you cast devil back into the bowels of hell for eternity
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the LET US in Genesis 1:26

    They are the Godhead.
  • Alex - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    Thank you Chris for the very helpful, thorough and expansive answer to my question. Truly appreciated and I do believe it gives me closure to my question. I know it is faith that is dominant in following Jesus. At the same time, when doing a deeper study questions do come to awareness and while my faith was not disturbed I could not get closure on my reasoning with it being an assumption that it was Mary's lineage in Luke 19:23.
  • Adam - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    No, Jesus isn't 'above' the father. I don't think its a hierarchy. John 10:30.

    >Then in fact if u get God the Father to say it

    Yes, God is perfect and doesn't lie or sin. I don't understand what you mean by your comment. You can't trick or manipulate God into anything, if that's what you mean.
  • RA - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    The question or comment I have to state is since the Bible Says that "...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE?"CORRECT Yes ? Now if In the beginning was God and the Word was with God and the Word was God And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us ? So Jesus being the Word of God and The Father God cannot Lie GIVES NE THE conclusion IN MY MIND IS AS FOLLOWS -If you get the Father God to say something then he must honor his Word and do it whatever he says he does by his Word? Then in fact if u get God the Father to say it then according to this Word even God the Father becomes Subject to his WORD FOR HE CANNOT LIE .?Jesus is above all even the father in power or am I mistaken?

    " Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is LORD?"
  • Comments about the deity of Christ. Philip asked jesus show us the father and it will suffice us . Then Jesus asked Philip have i been so long a time with you and you have not seen me Philip .ty JESUS he that has seen me has seen the FATHER. Not that they are the same idenical being. But its that Christ can sow the very seed of God in us sinners th word that is yet to come th contents of the book which are the words of God that has been sealed till the last day.To whom the word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods which is the H.G. that is gonna be born in US and he said the scriptures cannot be broken . I.E. his word cannot return unto him void.It was God the Father that said that everything has to multiply after its kind. But Jesus has the POWER TO MULTIPLY VERY GOD IN HUMANITY with his seed the word which proves he was born AFTER THE GOD KIND, thus when he will go forth to sow his precious seed in humanity the result is Gods th H.G.PLURAL THAT IS GONNA BE AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN WHICH IS EMMANUELS GOD WITH US HUMANS. Soon as he was born the Father GOD ALMIGHTY instructs all the ANGELS to worship his Son,If Christ were not God the son then God almighty wd have been braking the 1st commandment.Thou shall have no other GODS before Me. Thus he had no sin nature as God has no sin nature. GBU
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    Alex, I would have liked to send you a link that I believe will give you more information that you are seeking, but I'll try doing it this way:

    Go to the site: StackExchange. At Search All Sites, type in How could Jesus be descended. Hopefully, you will see the first discussion that has one David Connor giving a very useful reply.

    Personally, I've always had a sense that this Holy Seed from God was implanted in Mary without any contribution from Mary's body towards the growth & development of the embryo. In other words, the embryo was sustained & nurtured in the womb by the Spirit & that Jesus' birth through humanity was purely to provide an incarnation & physical evidence of a Davidic lineage. We know that God could have just as easily taken His Word & clothed Him in humanity to accomplish His purposes without the need of a physical birth. But He chose to use humanity to achieve that end, to fulfil prophecy concerning the Davidic line of His Messiah ( Isaiah 11:1-5).

    I then use this rationale to believe that Jesus was born into the world without a sin nature (unlike us), & that at His temptation ( Mt 4), Satan's sole objective was to force upon Jesus a sin nature, just as He did to Adam & Eve. Unlike the first Adam, the Last Adam withstood Satan using His Own Word. I should also say, that I know of some believers that believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature (through Mary) as we have also through our parents, but He resisted Satan so as to not succumb to sin (unlike us). I don't accept this view as it compromises the Holiness of God & His Seed.

    But this is the other side of your question that leads to your enquiry as to which line does Jesus' ancestry go through & how that is accomplished, & therefore my comment above doesn't answer what you want to know, but may help. So I hope that Site will offer you more guidance in this.
  • Alex - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    Thank you Mishael for all your thoughts and research to my questions and for caring so much to help answer my question.
  • Alex on 2 Samuel 13
    Comments by Alex about the lineage of Christ. Scriptures say that Christ was the Word made flesh and blood. JESUS was not of this world i.e not by any mans seed only by the living WORD MADE FLESH AND BLOOD the living WORD is Gods seed. He tells the Jews you are of this world i am not of this world, you are from beneath i am from Above, he was a celestrial being not a terestrial being. God almighty was his absolute Father thats how he had the power to sow that Good Seed the very seed of God in humanity.Jesus asked the pharisees what think ye of Christ whos seed is he? they replied Davids seed then Jesus said if David calls him Lord how can he be his son his lineage etc. then they durse not ask him any more Questions he was only the son of david SIMBOLICLY i.e this relationship between david and solomon was just a metaphor of Christ and his son the H.G. tHAT IS GONNA BUILD A GREATER TEMPLE THEN SOLOMON IN OUR HEARTS. As the kingdom is gonna be with in US SINNERS. IN OUR HEARTS ETC. GBU
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    I googled the blood factors and you're right. He has his fathers blood and an alelle factor from Mary.

    His blood type can be the Fathers blood.

    We do know the Bible says that Jesus is WITHOUT sin right up to the Cross.

    I have a couple of those genealogy charts from googling. You have to save it to your photos to be able to enlarge it so you can read it. Just google "genealogy of Jesus".
  • Alex - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20

    I do understand that Joseph is related by blood to David but that has nothing to do with Jesus since Joseph was only a step father, no blood relationship. I also understand that a baby has his father's blood. That is the original point of my question. The only blood is this birth is from the mother, Mary. The father is our Father, God Almighty and his spirit came upon Mary to conceive Jesus as scripture says. So, the lineage of Joseph is immaterial. God's Spirit is the father and Mary's blood is necessary for Jesus to be blood lined to David. But there is no mention in scripture of Mary's bloodline. I guess I have to accept that the lineage told in Luke for some reason just does not mention Mary and we are to only assume it is Mary's.
  • D.J. - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20

    The legal term for adoption can be found in Luke 3:23. The term "as was supposed" is defined as "as reckoned by law / "to lay down a thing as law" / "to hold by custom, or usage." This is the legal term used for adoption.

    The father of Joseph is Jacob, as can be seen from Matthew 1:16.

    The father of Mary is Heli, as can be seen from Luke 3:23.

    The lineage of Jesus goes from Mary, through David, through Adam, to God Himself.

    The birth of the Savior of the world was promised long before prophecy of David came into light. ( Genesis 3:15). The birth of this One will defeat death itself.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    I already responded to your question. Did you check your email?
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    People have made charts of Jesus's genealogy through Mary

    And Joseph too even though he was a step father. No blood connection. He was however a descendant of King David.

    A baby always has its fathers blood type.

    The only connection to the mother is for sustenance.

    That's how Jesus's blood was SINLESS. That's why His blood is so Powerful.

    Check those charts out on Google.
  • Dear Brother or Sister in Christ,

    I am still not satisfied with the answers given for Jesus' lineage. It is critical that Jesus be a descendant of David to fulfill the prophesy that David's son will be the ruler of the kingdom. If we use the lineage given in Matthew it connects David by blood down to Joseph which has nothing to do with Jesus' bloodline. At best Joseph is Jesus' step father, a non-blood. There is no mention that Joseph legally adopted Jesus as his son. Jesus has no blood relation or legal relation (recorded) to Joseph. And, after the story of Jesus disappearing for 3-4 days at the age of 12, after the festival of Passover in Jerusalem, Joseph is never mentioned again. He is a truly insignificant figure in Jesus' life. Whereas, his mother Mary is mentioned a number of times even at his crucifixion in John 19:26. Unfortunately, the lineage in Luke is "assumed" to be that of Mary's but not stated. For Jesus to be a blood relative of David it is important to know not assume this to be the case. In the past years, this has not been important but has become so since this is a key prophecy and fulfillment of God's covenant. The best I can come to is Jesus was a man/God and was a Spiritual son/Lord of David and of God, the Almighty.


  • THE STORY OF TAMAR - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    2 Samuel 13

    David loved God, loved his family and loved his country. He was vulnerable through his deep love for all.

    Amnon had a dirty old uncle encourage him to pursue Tamar (Absalom's sister). The uncle tells him what to do. Tamar tried to reason with him that as half sister, David might give her as a wife. Amnon only wanted what he'd been whipped into a frenzy for. After the rape, he didn't want anything to do with her. Nobody told David about it. David did not know what was going on, in his own household but he found out. He was angry at Absalom.

    Tamar went to live in Absalom's house; in seclusion. Absalom simmered in anger 2 years before he dealt with Amnon.

    Tamar is shown in David's genealogy; which is unusual.

    Absalom was married? It's recorded he had 3 sons that must have died at birth because they are not in the genealogy. He had 1 daughter and he named her Tamar. She was a woman of fair countenance like her Aunt Tamar. I don't know how long she lived.

    Absalom did many many evil things. He raped all of his fathers concubines in full sight of town; and more. 2 Samuel 15

    Abdalom died hanging in a tree by his long beautiful dreadlocks. Joab is fetched and he stabs Absalom in the heart with 3 arrows; the troops with him smote and slew him afterwards.

    To conclude: the better question is what happened to Absalom's 1 daughter, that he named Tamar. Females were not in genealogies as a rule.

    I think David's daughter Tamar died of a broken messed up life. I think In honor of her suffering, he named his daughter Tamar, also. There is no record of the end of her life.

    Galatians 3:13 says, CURSED is any who dies by hanging on a tree. Absalom died on a tree. Judas died on a tree. Jesus died on a tree so that WE ALL MAY LIVE ETERNALLY.

    He was made a curse for our sakes.

    David's psalms represent a lot of heartache over his life, his kids, his choices. He loved large and suffered much.

  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20
    This sad story of Tamar has no ending: she disappears off the scene. She was left destitute & de-flowered & childless without any hope of marriage. Even aside from the wicked Amnon, all of those men, David included, had much to answer for in their debauchery & treatment of women.
  • Charleen Abraham on 2 Samuel 13:20
    what became of Tamar, what does she remained desolate in her brother absalom's house...did she ever get married or had children?
  • Kikelomo adeosun on 2 Samuel 13
    life is a lesson for cares to learn , Amnon should have care to listen and learn rather than giving in to selfish nature.
  • David on 2 Samuel 13
    what ever a man sow that he shall also reap sometimes what we sow takes time to grow but you can be sure it will grow.
  • Joyce Joseph on 2 Samuel 13
    It is simply amazing. In verse 4 Amnon said I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister. In verse 15 Then Amnon hated her exceedingly so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he loved her. Nathan words which were spoken to David started to take effect. Regardless to how we look at it God's words must come to pass. It matters not who was used to accomplish it.
  • April on 2 Samuel 13
    2Samuel,Ch.12,vs 11,Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house,and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.I do think this is part of Davids consequences still left over from previous chapters,his wives being taken has not happend yet,I think that is still to come.

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