2 Peter Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Tim legarie on 2 Peter 2:20
    BEHOLD! CAN YOU NOT SEE THE PARADINE HERE ? The riots,protests,violence! With some pastors ,and christians leading the way against the goverment the world antimask, antivax,antilove,anticharity,antichrist!
  • T. Levis - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:20
    I'm not understanding your question/statement. I'm not sure which pastors you speak of. Riots that happened early 2020?

    Anti mask? Antivax? These five you've quoted Can't, in truth, be lumped together. Let's address the first 2.=

    GOD made us in HIS image, we reflect HIS glory, HE didn't create humanity with masks. HE created us with an immune system. We are to go about with unveiled faces. We are to live by faith & not fear. Many discussions have been had on this site about these issues.

    Revelations 21:8,

    Ecclesiastes 37:11, John 2:13-17

    USA We The People are the Governing Authority & by Duty, are required to right the "government" when they usurp their authority.

    The last 3 labels Antilove,- charity, ect, clearly are not of Christ.

    1John 4:18, 2 Timothy 3:15-17,

    Isaiah 26:3,

    Hopefully these are helpful in the heaviness you feel
  • Leland Kendrick md - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:20
    Yes you are right

    Our preamble to the constitution

    Is what defines us the peopl

    This is our country

    We are the masters

    And all elected officials are our public servants from president own down

    We the people are 325 million people

    Yes we have to take back control

    Our constitution says that when Washington DC

    Try's to become socialized

    Dictators or ever what you want to all them

    We the people militia etc not only have the right but duty to remove them from office

    I am not talking about bloodshed

    That is the last thing we Christians

    Would want

    Remove them peacefully

    We have the tight to peacefully assemble

    And redress our greviences

    Some would say our military would obey government and shot we the

    People

    I say that would not

    The military would not because they are there to protect the people not Washington DC

    Asking the military to fire on us

    Would require they shots their mothers

    Fathers

    Brothers

    Sisters

    Spouses

    Children

    Not a chance

    That would only happen in a communist markist

    Dictator country

    That is not who we are

    We can do it without bloodshed

    God bless America

    We do need to return to God

    The most important thing we have to do

    God never blessed a country

    That rejects him
  • Jonijo on 2 Peter 2
    2 Peter 2:20?

    What does this mean?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi Jonijo.

    I also Believe they were Never saved for the same reason mentioned and also they're referred to as DOGS AND PIGS!!

    They're Not Sheep, Where in scripture does dogs and pigs refers to the saved?

    And it doesn't say they were sheep and became dogs, It says they dog returned to HIS VOMET again.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Jonijo,

    Peter is dealing with false teachers in the church. 1 Peter was written to warn believers about the threat from outside the church, from the world. Peter wrote his second letter to warn the church about the threat within, false teaching, and the false teachers.

    1 Peter 2:20-21 speaks about the position of the captives, the ones who fell captive to the false teachers. We see their condition in verse 20. It starts out by saying, "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world, and please notice this: through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    They have responded to the truth, the facts about Jesus. And they've come and said yes, this is true. And they are again entangled therein, and they are overcome. And the concept is: the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    And then verse 21 says, "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    Notice that the emphasis is on what they know! They haven't surrendered their life to Christ. These are not saved people. They received the knowledge of the truth, but then they came into the church and latched onto false teachers that taught them how to go out into the world, and get sin "In the name of Jesus."

    Then we have the portrayal of the captives in 2 Peter 2:22. It says, "But it is happened unto them (These are the people in verses 20-21), which is a fulfillment of prophecy ( Proverbs 26:11), but it has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow, that is, the pig that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    There has to be a transformation and a change, because a pig will always go back. You can wash it clean and you know what's going to happen? It's going to dive right back into that mud hole again! Cleaning people up on the outside is not anyone's commission. It's bringing them to Christ!
  • Rick - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi Jesse My understanding the word knowledge used is [gnosis] with is also some applied understanding therefore

    they were born again and were so to speak talked out of abstaining from the lust of the world and thinking they could

    operate in the old man nature eventually becoming worse than they were. I also understand what you shared, its all

    profitable.
  • Grace - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    My hand is raisedOh pick me! I know this one! From personal experience. I'm sorry to say.

    It means; If you get truly saved and then you walk away from the things of the kingdom to live your life according to your own wisdom, backsliding, it will be very bad. Very very bad. Bad things will happen. The destroyer will kill, steal, and destroy you, and yours. Gods chastisement may well be upon you too. Which will also be very painful. And you may never make it back to a victorious life "in Christ" unless. You come back to God through Christ 1timothy 2five 100%. Fully repenting and dying to self completely.
  • David - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi Grace That's a lot of deliverance and heart to share. God Bless
  • Grace - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    David, Way too much. Sorry. But if I could encourage anyone not to backslide no matter what, I would be so grateful. Even when Job like trials come you gotta hold on to God and don't Look to the left or to the right just hold to Gods unchanging hand! When the pain is so great you cannot bear it fall on your face before God but do not look to the left or the right. Do not take matters into your own hands. Trust the Lord wholly. Lean not upon your own understanding. Job came thru his trials with victory. What about those who don't?
  • David - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Jonijo In the context individuals who have been born again if they are deceived to going back to the pollutions

    of the world i.e. lust of flesh lust of eyes, pride of life they are again entangled trapped by the old man nature the

    next verse is a very remarkable mind picture. It would have been better to have not known the way of righteous

    then the end result it is like a dog wallowing in its own vomit, you are in a state worse than when you were not

    born again. That I can't imagine! They have walked away from God.
  • Victor paredes on 2 Peter 2
    Backsliders .. these scriptures tear down the false baptist doctrine once saved always saved, and Joyce Meyers false doctrine of God forgives present sins and the ones we sin willfully after..
  • David - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi Victor I'm sharing not to persuade you just to show scripture, backsliding is a turning away from. Now God always

    keeps His Promises and His word is true When we are[ born again spiritually] confess Romans 10:9+10 we are freely given holy spirit and all sin old

    nature acts or actions are paid for in full. Committed renewed mind believers sin or break fellowship but not on purpose

    we confess the broken fellowship and get back on track 1 John 1:8+9 The believers who for awhile stand then get caught up in the things of the world again and will eventually go back to their old man nature a dog wallowing in its own vomit

    2 Peter 2:20-22 ways of the world. The guy who tricks people into that is satan by deception. We will all that are born again be rewarded for the time we stood on the word and all the other works will be burned up 1 Corinthians 3:12-15. That's what Jesus Christ paid for in this age of Grace of the Church, its like being given a full box of mechanics tools, some will put the gift to full use others will commit for a while others will commit a lifetime, God new that and still kept His promise. In the eyes of God we are saints his children period. P.S. I don't listen to her because there's a lot of stuff not kosher. God Bless
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} 'temporary' salvation? - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Precious friend Victor, IF God's ETERNAL Salvation "is false," then I believe we have A Severe BIBLICAL problem With the Following Truths Of The SAVIOUR, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    1 The LORD "Knows them that are His" 2 Timothy 2:19, And, The LORD "Has ALWAYS Known them that are His" Ephesians 1:4

    2 The LORD "Has NEVER Known" them that "Are NOT His" Matthew 7:21-23

    3 Therefore, it is BIBLICALLY 'Impossible' for "one to be saved, AND THEN to be lost" Correct?

    For More Encouragement And Edification, here is my 2-Part "study" (scroll down the page some) On 2 Corinthians 1:9-10 Three Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation Link
  • Miss Smith on 2 Peter 2
    What is the meaning of 2 Peter2:22 for Christians and unbelievers.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi MS Smith.

    To get a better understanding on this verse we may have to take it from verse 18.

    I will try to point out some important points in parentheses.

    2 Peter 2:18-22. ( For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.)

    While they promise them liberty, ( they themselves are the servants of corruption:) for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    ( For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,) the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    I believe what we have here as shown in the parentheses we have those who have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, in verse 20. However the previous verses 18 and 19, they don't seem to have ever accepted Christ.

    That's why they're identified as a Dog and a Sow instead of a Son. In Luke 15:11-32. You have a Son returning home, All 3 found their way home.

    In away 2 Peter 2:18-22. reminds me of Mathew 12:43-45. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

    Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, HE FINDS IT EMPTY, SWEPT, AND GARNISHED. (NO INDWELLING OF THE HG.)

    Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

    God bless.
  • Rick - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Miss Smith In the context Peter is talking about is a person who gets born again and tasted the good word of God then chooses to go back to the corruption of the world. The end result is that persons life will be worse then it was before they believed. A dog wallowing in its own vomit gives you an idea of the state of existence the individual would be in. These are they that followed corrupt leaders that opposed pure doctrine.
  • English sacha - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    The two proverbs are , the dog is eating its own vomit ,and the pig that was washed has gone back into the mud . Humans , we , are the dog and the pig in question , if after we have heard the Word , pledged ourselves to it , been washed clean in the blood of Christ but then go back to our own unclean sinfull ways as if nothing had happened .
  • COMMENTARY 2 PETER 2:10-22 - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    COMMENTARY 2 Peter 2:22 [verses 10-22)

    10-16 Impure seducers and their abandoned followers, give themselves up to their own fleshly minds. Refusing to bring every thought to the obedience of Christ, they act against God's righteous precepts. They walk after the flesh.

    17-22 The word of truth is the water of life, which refreshes the souls that receive it; but deceivers spread and promote error, and are set forth as empty, because there is no truth in them. Seeing that these men increase darkness in this world, its just that the darkness should be their portion in the next. In the midst of their talk of liberty, these men are the vilest slaves; their own lusts gain a complete victory over them, and they are actually in bondage. When men are entangled, they are easily overcome; therefore Christians should keep close to the word of God, and watch against all who seek to bewilder them. A state of apostacy is worse than a state of ignorance. To bring an evil report upon the good way of God, and a false charge against the way of truth, must expose to the heaviest condemnation. How dreadful is the state here described! Yet though such a case is deplorable, it is not utterly hopeless; the leper may be made clean, and even the dead may be raised. Is thy backsliding a grief to thee? Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved. [Commentary by Matthew Henry]

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  • Nancy on 2 Peter 2
    Will I see my affectionate pet in heaven in the new Jerusalem?
  • Glenn - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Yes ,.. Isaiah chapter 11 , will help you understand,.. God loves his animals !!!
  • BSP on 2 Peter 2
    Verse 5-Just as Jehovah God brought destruction on the wicked back in the day of Noah, He will again bring destruction on the wicked in our day.
  • Rich on 2 Peter 2
    Verse 20-22 Is Peter talking about apostasy? Would an apostate or reprobate not want to repent or would not be able to repent? Any honest truthful help would be most appreciated.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Peter 2
    Hi Rich. That's a good question & the answer is found in that chapter. If you read the whole chapter, you'll see from verse 1 that Peter is speaking about the false prophets & false teachers that would enter the Church - they would appear as 'normal' Christians but their objective would be to bring in their false doctrines & teaching & bring the Church to ruin. And Peter highlights some of their many sins & deceptions in several verses, especially verses 13-19.

    Now there are always opportunities for apostates or reprobates to repent & turn back to the Lord & follow the true path, but often, these false teachers were so embedded in their false beliefs & sins that issued out from them, that they never found any need to change. And such were these infiltrators that would come into the Church. They certainly had knowledge of Christ & the holy Faith, but that knowledge kept them from salvation, from hearing the warnings of God's Spirit, & entrenched in their sins. So Peter says in verse 21: "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

    This chapter harmonizes with Hebrews 6:4-6, where the Hebrews writer also speaks of those who had received light, partaking of the Spirit's benefits & of the good Word, yet they ultimately turned their backs to God. The writer was referring particularly to those Jews (as the Letter title suggests) who after tasting of the good things of Christ, left it all to return back to Judaism. They weren't saved, just as those in Peter's letter, & so the Word is true that says, "By their fruits ye shall know them" ( Matthew 7:20). A person who is not "in Christ" & Christ in them will soon have his true motives & sins exposed & so Peter's warning to the Church to beware of such people who bring teaching inconsistent to what they were taught ( 2 Peter 1:4-8). May you be blessed as you study God's Word further, Rich.
  • Jason on 2 Peter 2:4
    Were the angels that are spoken of in 2 Peter 2:4 the same angels that are spoken of in Genesis chapter six and were theses angels part of the two third that were cast out of heaven with Lucifer??
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:4
    The Law and The Prophets AKA

    Moses and Elijah
  • 2 Peter 24 - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:4
    Find the Search box. Highlight your scripture. Scroll down to the Commentary Box:

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    Wesley's Notes for 2 Peter 2:4

    2:4 Cast them down to hell - The bottomless pit, a place of unknown misery. Delivered them - Like condemned criminals to safe custody, as if bound with the strongest chains in a dungeon of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgment of the great day. Though still those chains do not hinder their often walking up and down seeking whom they may devour.

    People's Bible Notes for 2 Peter 2:4

    2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned. In order to show that judgments on these wicked teachers are sure, Peter cites examples. Even angels when they sinned were subjected to punishment. But cast [them] down to hell. The sinning angels were cast out of heaven. The word rendered "hell" is not Gehenna, but Tartarus, a Greek term used for the place of future punishment. Delivered [them] into chains of darkness. "Pits of darkness" (Revised Version); possibly dungeons of darkness gives the idea. Compare Jude 1:6 Both passages point to a time when angels sinned, fell, and thus became angels of darkness.
  • Gene - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:4
    1/3, not 2/3....
  • Enduring Hardships with Family - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:20
    You may have a move in your future...

    Even good Christians oppose themselves and people they love. (Mom)

    You take over your Christian walk. Can't anyone else do it for you. Just say "I appreciate your concern" and then make your exit.

    Did you do as described in John 3 ? If so, then you are born again; and the Holy Spirit came alongside to be a daily part of your life. He...is your Teacher; Comforter. If you're veering off course, He will alert you.

    Any voice that accuses you and attacks your faith in God; is Satan. You must put on your armor, Ephesians 6, pick up your "Sword" which is scripture you have hidden in your heart; and run Satan out of your life. If you need a bigger sword...keep adding Bible into your armory every day. The demonic are invisible but you can tell when they're around: they accuse, they tear at your personality and any way they can, tear you down. You have no need that anyone teach you but The Holy Spirit: which is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He will undertake your learning if you ask Him to. Give him all the confusion and the wounded spirit and ask Him to heal you completely.

    Generally I suggest you would watch Charles Stanley videos on YouTube; but I'm going to add to that, videos by Charles Capps. He teaches on the Authority of the Believer. Both are fatherly Teachers. You'll enjoy the sermons. Greg Laurie teaches a lot of younger people. You might check out his sermons too.

    You have suffered a breach but you are healed of that NOW in the Name of Jesus! Receive it now.

    Every time you hear the Accuser; cast him out in Jesus name. Pray for the Lord to undertake your mom's comments. Forgive always! This releases God to be at work in her life. You don't have to do a thing. Give it to Him.

    Find some Christian friends to Bible Study with. It makes for a lot of joy and fun. :D

    How's your spaghetti skills? Mishael
  • Mishael on Spiritual Warfare - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:20
    Go on YouTube and watch some videos on spiritual warfare, that's all you have to type in. Listen to some by Derek Prince. He's very calm but he can sure make the demons run!

    Sounds like you have more than one person ought to have. Read Ephesians chapter 6. Principalities and Powers are invisible but they manifest in mean ways. That's how you know they are around. You need to get more Bible into you to win against these things that afflict the children.

    Schizophrenia is a demonic spirit. It may be working in sync with a familiar spirit (infiltrates and follows families). Learn from Derek how to run these demons off. It's the Holy Name of Jesus they must bow to.

    You have to learn this. Jesus cast out demons every day of his ministry. Read the Gospels and see how Jesus did it.

    Write me back later and tell me how it goes.


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