2 John Chapter 1 Discussion


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  • STEFFERN on 2 John 1:2
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  • Kj on 2 John 1:1
    Why the Son of man came

    1 John 3:8

    He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Luke 9:56

    For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village

    Mark 10:45

    "For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
  • Spike4187 on 2 John 1:1
    What does he mean by "the Elder unto the elect lady? I know elect refers to Christians. Is John identifying himself as an "Elder" which he would be because you can't get any "Elder" than one of the original disciples. Or perhaps in that time, it was not proper to send a letter to a woman. Is it that? so he writes to an Elder to deliver it to her. Was John showing humility by identifying himself as an Elder but not as an original disciple of Christ? Is this simply a letter written to a Christian woman who has children and he heard how faithful she has been?

    Thanks

    Sincerely

    Spike
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 John 1:1
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    Yet, the pressing theme on John's heart, in spite of this woman's faithfulness to Christ & the Word, was the dire warning that was exhibited in his first epistle: that of the strengthening Gnostic influence pervading the Church & Christian thinking (vv 7-11). Gnostiscm, in its many arms of perverted teaching, was propagating the fact that this Jesus from Heaven had not come in the flesh, but merely a man with a mystical nature (v7) & 1 John 2:18-24. And this was based on their belief that "the incarnation is incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". And this belief pervades the Church today & we need to withstand such an atrocity that seeks to remove the fullness of God's Love in the giving of Himself (as none else could), to become Man, & to lay down His Life as our substitutionary Sacrifice. This Truth was now iterated to the Elect lady, to be on guard.
  • Spike4187 - in Reply on 2 John 1:1
    I thank you for your response! It is amazing when you read Jude, John III and John II. They warn about deception and people coming into the church and saying a whole lot of nothing. And denying the complete fullness of Christ. You see that today as well. Preachers on TV saying a whole lot of nothing. I think the people are more ignorant leaving the show pertaining to Biblical matters then when they did before they sat down to watch it. I recently was alerted by a friend to view a YOUTUBE clip where Kenneth Copeland said God was the biggest failure in the Bible. I cannot believe for a second anyone would attend his church. How can you say such a thing? You should check it out. No wonder Christianity is on the decline in America. Have a good day.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 John 1:1
    Especially in light of the U.S. elections result, I immediately re-visited the videos/scripts of recent folk such as Copeland, Robertson, Johnson, et al, to note that they still maintain that Pres. Trump is the winner & that God will do a wonderful thing in this intervening time to ensure this happens. Lest I assume erroneously, I, as others, are waiting for January to see what materialises. These men are standing on shaky ground but I doubt whether their congregants & others amongst their faithful, will allow their position to change for any different outcome.

    I perceive the same as you: a declination of the faith, not just the U.S. but worldwide over many, many years, as hungry Christians focus on the personality & charisma exuded, rather than confirming their messages from the Word of God. When Christians believe anything fed to them, then the ground becomes fertile for all manner of errors to become Truth. So it shouldn't be too hard for the anti-Christ to persuade such 'Christians' to do his bidding. Matthew 11:8, "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" As many would "change the Truth of God into a lie, worshipping & serving the creature (in this instance, man) more than the Creator" Romans 1:25. Once the messenger of God becomes 'as God', then the downward spiral is fast & certain.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 John 1:1
    Page 1.

    Spike, we generally understand that this letter, as also 3 John, are attributed to the Apostle John. Even though the letters don't indicate this, the early Church fathers, including Polycarp, a contemporary of John, ascribed the letter to the aged John (around 90 yrs of age). As well, even though elders were appointed in the Church by this time (Acts 14:23, James 5:14, etc.), John's use of the word "Elder" speaks of his old age & apostolic position rather than any sign of humility. He was the last apostle to enter Glory & so probably felt a greater burden to give his remaining time to full use.

    We aren't told who the "elect lady" was. She is generally referred to as Kuria or Kyria, but that is debatable as it doesn't come from any reliable source. Yet, from John's letter, we assume that she was a lady of note (a person, not a Church), who was faithful to Christ with her family & may have even received teachers of the Word into her home & supported the ministry. In any case, John had an approving view of her & hoped to see her on a visit - which we don't believe ever took place. You could also be correct, in that John abstained from naming her as it might have been improper & too forward to address a lady by name. And this may be clarified by his naming Gaius in his third letter.
  • Adrian Abreu on 2 John 1
    It seems that the apostle John wrote to a congregation that the leader was a lady. There was some false teachers in view , or anti-Christian . 1tim .2: 14 wich was trying to deceive women apparently christian.
  • Ruben H. on 2 John 1
    2 John v.1 This lady elect's name is Kuria---can anyone find out more about her- ie. father, mother, Tribe, etc!!! I Can't find any more mention than in the Strong's Concordance.
  • Randy Hahn on 2 John 1
    Alex...that was awesome!
  • Teri on 2 John 1
    to be absent from the body means what? the spirit is separate from the body which is what goes to be present with the Lord, until that time when corruptible is raised incorruptible! Selah
  • Teri on 2 John 1
    i think the elect lady is a godly woman, who may teach other women and as well her children! he gives her wise advice to continue to walk in love, but not open her home up to strangers warning her about deceivers.
  • Jenny on 2 John 1
    Paul refers to this woman as Elder, elect lady and her children. I believe he calls her elder and elect because she is a pastor and her children refers to the people in her flock. I believe Paul wanted us to know that some women were leaders in their church. Her elect Sister is another woman leader or pastor for she too has a congregation of believers she is over.
  • Victor - in Reply on 2 John 1
    Jenny, For a woman to be a pastor goes against scripture. Also, Paul did not write this letter. John did.
  • JP on 2 John 1
    Sam, Jesus Christ is the SON of God , my Lord and Savour, my Redeemer, The King of Kings Lord of Lords , FOR IT IS WRITTEN. not my spiritual mother

  • Alex on 2 John 1
    Sam actually we are his mother as he asked who is my mother? Them that hear the word/ that good seed of God and keeps it. Its that good seed that will form Christ inus resulting in a birth of Christ in us ( the new birth ) Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN mankind needs to birth christ in his life thus we are his spritual mother. And he is the sower of that good seed his words
  • Walter Waller on 2 John 1
    We become righteous the moment we are placed in Christ by the Holy Ghost,then the Spirit gives us the power to live a righteous life as we learn the word of God and put it into practise.Faith cometh by hearing,reading the Word. Aman!!
  • Reg on 2 John 1
    The doctrine of christ is the 4 gospels Gods Own Son Preaching Eternal Life. The world does not bring christs doctrine to a needy soul. Where are his elect are there few that be saved . Seek and u will find knock and it shall be opened to u ask and it shall be given. Ask god not man
  • Maggie Fahy-Pepper on 2 John 1
    Who is this elect lady
  • E.t - in Reply on 2 John 1
    Could be a reference to an assembly of people identified as the bride of Christ.Together,or apart all the components of his bride remain the body that was prepared for his return..At least that's my personal take.
  • Girl4JESUS on 2 John 1
    JESUS is the way, the truth,
  • Randy on 2 John 1
    The last verse of Matthew 25:46 says "but the righteous into life eternal". Sin is all unrighteousness and a little leaven leavens the whole lump, even if we keep the whole law but offend in one, we are guilty of all. So the only way to be righteous is to STOP sinning. Doesn't the Bible say to come to our senses as we ought and cease from sin? A disciple I know you know the Truth, and I thank the Lord!
  • A disciple on 2 John 1
    Hi Randy; Thanks for the nice note! To the question of everyone possibly being in the Book of Life to begin with I don't know. It does say that there's an evil seed who go astray from the womb speaking lies; and some like Esau, the LORD hates. The fact that He sows in all kinds of hearts but only a smaller part respond worthily, also makes me doubt that possibility. Matthew 25:31-46 is important.
  • Randy on 2 John 1
    A Disciple: Could be that everyone's name is in the Book of Life, but the secret is to not be blotted out. The way the world is going, I do believe that only a Remnant will be saved. There must still be 10 righteous, but hard to tell watching the news! Read some of your past entries and sure is good to know you are teacher of Righteousness! Holy to the LORD! Thanks for Lord's words on my family!
  • A disciple on 2 John 1
    Randy; Thank you for your friendly reply: Grace and Peace to you also! Although all have sinned, and God punishes the wicked doers; yet has He spoken of the day when all ages and peoples shall be restored to their former estate. The names of those in the Lamb's Book of Life must be a multitude that no man can number! It is what Jesus prayed: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
  • Randy on 2 John 1
    A Disciple: I thank the Good Lord and pray for the saints every night, of which you are one! The OT had a sacrifice for ignorance and the NT says there is a sin that is not unto death, which I think and hope is ignorance. (family and loved ones) The error of the doctrine of Truth and the knowledge of Righteousness can be taught to those who will receive His revelation, as we did. Holy to the Lord!
  • A disciple on 2 John 1
    Randy; I think that was a good example you used with Ann to show God's care for us; and also, thank you for the supporting effort with all the times the word forgiveness appears in the Old Testament! There is a wealth of knowledge and history about our Faith and Religion, that has been mercilessly and relentlessly under attack and much destroyed; which is why there is so much error and ignorance.
  • A disciple on 2 John 1
    Emanuel; To your question about God putting people to the test; in James it is talking about alluring to sin; which cannot be done to God, and He doesn't do to anyone! But as to the action itself of enticing it is something that God does use in many ways for His righteous purposes and bringing out the best (or worst) in people. For example - Genesis 22:1; John 6:6; 2 Thess. 2:11; 1 Kings 22:22.
  • Randy on 2 John 1
    Emanuel: In 1 Tim. Paul says 'Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief'. That does not mean that Paul was still a sinner, or the 'worst' sinner. The very next verse Paul says why he said he was 'chief' of sinners. Because he was the FIRST PATTERN of all that should believe after him. It's obvious. Not possible anyway to be 'more sin full'. Leaven leavens the whole lump!
  • Emanuel Fernandes on 2 John 1
    GrGenesis 22:1 And it eek has far more words than English don't read the kjv legalistic. Example In James James 1:13 for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:Genesis 22:1 God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him,
    In James God doesn't tempt man then why did he tempt Abraham?
    Tempt in kjv means to entice but it also means to put into a trial. Clarification is need


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