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  • Billy Davis on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    The Man that walked the hill of Calvary and died to pay your sin debt FULL has a message for you.

    99.99% truth mixed with .001% lie is not the TRUTH that will MAKE you Free. According to the Hebrew Scriptures not the English Bible. Many are called few are chosen to understand what you are about to read. Here is how subtle and crafty your adversary really is. Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle and crafty than any beast of the field which Father YAHweh had made. And he said to the woman; Has YAHweh indeed said: You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

    God is only a misleading TITLE not a name! Proverbs 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? And what is the Name of His Son? Tell me, if you know!

    "How can we know that Satan is the God of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?" Answer: The phrase "God of this world" (or "god of this age") indicates that Satan is the major influence on the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His influence also encompasses the world's philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and ALL the religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions.

    Satan is also called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is the "ruler of this world" in YAHchanan (John) 12:31. These titles and many more signify Satan's capabilities. To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it. This is not to say that he rules the world completely; Father YAHweh is still sovereign. But it does mean that Father YAHweh, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries Father YAHweh has set for him. When the Scriptures says Satan has power over the world, we
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    When I'm alone, I address HIM

    as, MY Father !!!!!!!!!
  • Steven on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    This scripture says that the adversary (Satan) is the God of earth at this time in this last dispensation. The book of Revelation is when Jesus Christ returns with his armies and casts out and destroys the adversaries demons and the adversary. By removing him Satan from the throne, and cast out to the lake of fire. At that time Jesus takes upon the throne of and on the Earth.
  • Sheila Hedgepeth on 2 Corinthians 4:13
    can you please give me meaning in plan English of things not seen.is it faith?
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:13
    Sheila, I'm unsure whether you are referring to Hebrews 11:1:

    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

    This is one of the great descriptions of Faith in the Bible. To explain this: the words 'substance' & 'evidence' (in that verse) tell us about things we can physically see or can be proven without any doubt. So what you have around your home or with family members are all real & seeing them doesn't require any faith from you.

    What happens when you've planned to go on a holiday? The holiday hasn't happened yet, but you are hoping that nothing will stop you going. Is this faith? No, it's still only a hope. You could say, "I have faith that it will happen", but if there can be a possibility of it not happening, then it's what we say, is a misdirected faith. Then this awful virus starts up & all your plans are cancelled so you've lost all hope of going on holiday.

    That's what it's like on the Earth: we can hope for something but we really don't know for sure that it will happen for us. But, when the Bible speaks of Hebrews 11 Faith, we see that we can only use it when God gives His Promise for it to happen. So, if you believe that there is a God & a Heaven (both you can't see), then it means that your faith is based on God's Word & not on your sight. This is Real Faith as you believe according to His Word that His Word is sure. Some people also know about God but are uncertain about Him - no faith - no Heaven.

    Noah built a large boat. He may not have seen a flood from rain but still built a strange vessel that seemed of little value & purpose. But he demonstrated faith, because he believed God & trusted God that this vessel would somehow save these few people & animals & a flood would somehow cover the Earth & wipe out all left behind. I hope this explanation helps you understand that Faith is believing (as in, seeing) that something is there or will happen from God's Word, even when there's no evidence for it.
  • D W L - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Chris - Very well said and with a desire to help. Not trying to influence a church doctrine, just the WORD. I love it.

    Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
  • Invisible Demonic Beings - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:13
    Things not seen are the realm of the demonic. They have no physical bodies. They'll use any kind of person or live creature to hurt people.

    If your Bible has center of the page references (to like scripture of what you're reading) then use those in your study. The alphabet letters point to the other scriptures.

    Ephesians 6

    Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    12 For we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, but against (Invisible) principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

    "They hang around things that may be an idol". Get rid of anything that qualifies.

    Are you born again?

  • Warren on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Hi Chris, this is revealing what kind of person I am but is necessary for an answere to my question, realizing that you might not be qualified as a human and not God, to know, but your opinion could be helpful to me. Can a misanthropic type person achieve salvation? Thanks, warren
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Hi again Warren, I believe a misanthrope can be saved, indeed Christ's salvation is available to all. We realize that when one repents of specific sins or even of a nature given to a propensity to do evil, then the Lord forgives, gives new birth by His Spirit, & power to overcome & live this new life. There will times of failing, as we all do because of still having to live in sinful flesh with the old Enemy knocking at our door, but the overwhelming desire of the believer is to be an overcomer & please the Lord in every area of our lives.

    1 John 4:20 gives a telling message: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" I realize that this isn't specifically directed to a misanthrope rather to a person who claims to be a believer & loving God, yet holds anger & hatred for another. However, the spirit behind that hatred is evident & which boils down to: 'one cannot claim to love God & hate another: the two emotions can't dwell together'. I realize that a misanthrope has a much deeper mental issue for him to feel that way (& maybe it has come about because of the circumstances that prevailed upon him), but God is in the business of dealing with hard cases & He can give a full healing that always accompanies His full salvation.
  • Warren on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Thank you for the explaining this verse for me. Taking the time that you did, which is considerable, is a testament of someone devoted to spreading the gospel and doing Gods work. Where is your organization located?
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Hi Warren.

    Since a couple of us responded to you, I'm unsure to whom you are addressing your kind comments. As from me, it's always a joy to be of some (spiritual) use to a fellow believer especially in understanding God's Word. I find I spend more time on this Site now, since our movements outside the home are a little restricted - so no better way than to meditate on the Word & be helpful to others wherever possible. Often, I would like to write more, but time & space are limited.

    I'm not involved in any external ministry these days, as in the West, one needs to be 'officially' recognized to preach or be in the eldership to do so. However, I have had some ministry in India & Pakistan, working specifically amongst Muslims in Pakistan & encouraging the Churches in both countries. Many of the village Church leaders are not well taught in the Word & sometimes their messages lack accuracy & vitality, so when a 'foreign' speaker comes along, then their fellowship receives a different dimension from the Word & also serves as further biblical instruction to the pastors. Sharing with Muslims is another story: requiring much dependence on the Spirit, knowledge of the Word & the Quran, & a clear demonstration of love that first emanates from the Cross. In India, my limited involvement with the young people from the Brethren Assemblies meant that I was able to instruct them in ministry to Muslims during their evangelistic outreach in other parts of India.

    However, on 'open' sites as KJB Online, one has the blessing of sharing with other believers, but we are also compelled to consider their understanding of the Word & of life itself which can be quite different to ours. So, whatever is shared, as in the case with your enquiry, we trust that folk will follow up our comments with their own personal reading & seeking of the correct meaning from that Scripture portion. May the Lord bless you in your study of His Word & in direction of your life accordingly.
  • Warren kerlin on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    When Jesus said I have come to cast fire upon the earth and would that it was already kindled. What did He mean?
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Warren, I think if we look at Luke 12:49 in context to the chapter & also Matthew chapter 10 (as an addendum to Luke's account), we'll see that this is not a literal fire that Jesus speaks of, but a fire of divisions & contentions. In fact, in verse 51, He says, "Do you think I've come to bring peace on Earth? No, but to bring divisions". We might find this teaching troubling as we often think of the Gospel of Christ as that which brings peace to our once troubled & sinful souls & a new peace & relationship with the Godhead.

    Yet, the other side of the faith in Christ's Gospel, is that of contentions & divisions. The Gospel is divisive: it separates the sheep from the goats, friends & family members are set apart because of its call for separation & holiness, it separates those who attend Church for conscience sake from those attending to worship the Lord Whom they love, it makes distinction between those who take up their cross daily from those who are careless in their fleshly walk, etc.

    And Jesus says: "and what will I, if it be already kindled?", or "what can I say, that the spark of fire has already commenced?" The very fact of Jesus' Presence, amongst the people & his disciples, had already started the fires of anger & separation from one another. First, it commenced in the people's hearts as they heard teachings that were foreign to them & the Spirit-filled messages brought serious questioning & conviction within. Even arriving at the foot of the Cross, the division of those who followed the Lord from those who rejected Him became clearer & more distinct, resulting in more hatred from the Jews & Romans. Post Cross, we see the effects of that 'fire' as the apostles & those who obeyed the Lord suffered greatly, not because of anything they had done, but from those who had rejected Christ & godly living, were marked for destruction. You can keep these thoughts in mind as you read through the NT, looking for evidences of this fire that 'to follow Christ' brings.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Warren my guess is:

    2 Peter Chapter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    2 Thessalonians Chapter 1:6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
  • Mishael on Bema Seat Judgment of Christ Jesus on 2 Corinthians 4:13
    1 Corinthians 3:9-15

    According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

    For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

    Every man's work shall be made manifest: for THE DAY shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a REWARD.

    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself SHALL BE SAVED, yet so as by fire.


    Question we ask ourselves honestly: what are we building with?

    Are we building up the Body of Christ?

    Jesus: we are to be imitating; doing. If we can't Go Ye, then maybe equip those that are? Commit to pray for the workers of the Harvest? Luke 10:2

    Isaiah 61:1-3, Psalms 147:1-3, Luke 4:18-21

    Matthew 25: 31-46
  • Sharon Luckett on 2 Corinthians 4:13
    To this concerns; i want to share how i know and believe speaking into existence, well for Mothers day, my o me a beautiful rose bush, but it died after a few days, but for some reason i kept it outside on balcony, 1 day i decided to water and speak life into it, so i came home from work after the 3rd day, and 1 flower had blossomed onto the bush, i was so amazed by this, but i for some reason had the faith to believe this word i spoke to the plant would come to life, and it did. Glory be to God.
  • Anonymous on 2 Corinthians 4:7
    It means we have know the power the light and the knowledge of God , but we are inside earthly vessel [body] Cast down as we are from the sons of god and the daughters of men ... a crossbreed . We are made in the image of our creator , we were given their knowledge . . . we have allowed our identity to be stolen . . . . Jesus taught mysterys , you wont understand . . .until you really do have faith .....enough to grow up , Your KJV was not even translated from original texts . . . . .Jesus did leave clearer messages in scriptures and accounts by people who actually knew him . . Read Nag Hamadi Codex
  • Cynthia K Jones on 2 Corinthians 4:15
    For our Bible study, we need to study 2 Corinthians 4: 15-18 can you please send me something to study or to discuss in class?
  • Mishael - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:15
    When you come into this website; in the search boxes for scripture, put in your search. The passage will appear. Skip down past it and you will see a COMMENTARY

    Bar. Hit that & you can read what the scholars have written. Very enlightening.
  • Patty Tozi on 2 Corinthians 4
    Another day is Dawning, Another day's begun. Another day to turn to God and pray, "thy will be done." A day to slay Doubt's- as you give yourself to Him. A Day to live with Purpose. A Day to Share God's Blessings- in quiet countless ways; that touch the Heart with Hope and Joy, and Brighten Cloudy Days. A Day for rejoicing, for Gratitude and Praise; Because His Love Holds you- Both Now, and all your Days. A Day to Believe- and have Faith in the Prayer you just Prayed- That Good is to come to you that day. For Prayer is Strong, no matter what might go wrong. Never Doubt what you ask, for Your Faith He wants to See. For Faith and Prayer go hand in hand- and the Reward, You will See!!! Amen
  • ALLEN on 2 Corinthians 4
    What is the prophecies in revelation

    about the 3rd angel message
  • Obbie Beal on 2 Corinthians 4
    18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen, for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal...... It is amazing as it relates to SALVATION because once we are SAVED our sight can grows dimer and dimer concerning the perishing earthly things or this and that. ETERNITY /SALVATION through John 3:16 reserve a personal seat for you or I at THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB, Revelation 19:7, and what a day that will be.
  • Ratiocination on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    So, um, how many gods do Christians believe in then? Let's count. God the Father: 1. God the Son: 2. God the Holy Spirit: 3. And Satan, The God of This World: 4. Wow! Add a few more, and y'all can begin approaching Hinduism or animism. But your official line is there's only One True God? Still going with that one, yes?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)
    Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)
    Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness
    Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts God is 3 in 1.
  • Adam - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Hello, I'm not sure if you're joking or serious, but in case you actually believe that I will be happy to clarify. Christianity believes in one God, period. There's several Bible references saying this, including 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 10:30, 1 John 5:7-8. Now, let's break down your comments. The 3 dimensions or personalities of God is not 3 gods, the scripture is clear.

    Satan as 'god of the world' is a metaphor for satan just as 'prince of power of the air' is a metaphor 2 Corinthians 4:4. You could use the same logical fallacy to claim that satan must be prince then? No.

    Jesus is called the 'arm of the Lord' so does that mean he's a literal arm? No.

    The Bible is clear = only 1 God.
  • Mickey - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    I write what the Holy Spirit wants to respond. He oft uses my testimony. Southern Baptist childhood and into the occult. I sought answers from the Bible but I got nothing. I needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Not a ritual. My life was worse than sad and moved into despair and dark. One night I was sitting in a dark room and prayed 'Help me', over and over. I didn't say a proper scriptural Baptist prayer. I said the agony and pain of a soul wanting to give up. Jesus came to me, little over a year later. I've never wanted to go back to Egypt (sin).
  • Ratiocination - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    So why is it "just a metaphor" or "a logical fallacy" or "taken out of context" when it contradicts your sect's dogma, but gospel truth when it matches your particular beliefs? I understand about figures of speech and poetic license, but the bible is rife with easily misunderstood and opposing passages; thus, we have tens of thousands of Christian denominations, each convinced it has The Truth and believing all the other guys are off base. And everyone has proof texts from the same book. Wouldn't a divinely inspired book by an all-powerful "only 1 God" be able to do a better job at clarity than that?

    =whatever topic may be currently under discussion
  • Adam - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Hello, good questions. The first sentence is an incorrect assumption. People read the Bible (like you), try to understand it, and if you believe it, then you try to apply it. If you believe in Jesus Christ and choose to follow Him, then by definition you are a Christian (a Christ-follower). So, if you did these things right now you would also be a Christian. So, when you say something like 'matches your particular beliefs' that sounds like an assumption for everyone that isn't true. You're correct that people interpret things differently and part of the reason there are different denominations- often the differences are small. God wants to be sought through effort: Acts 17:27
  • Mick - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Explain "Let us" in Genesis 1:26 and again in Genesis 11:7. Also, "I and my Father are one and the same."

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