2 Corinthians Chapter 12 Discussion



 
  • Oseas - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 5 months ago
    "Tunney"

    Without JESUS it is IMPOSSIBLE to exist peace not only in the Jerusalem, but in the nation of Israel as a whole. By the way, the Holy City, where also our Lord was crucified, is now spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. You know that JESUS prophesied the Temple would be destroyed, saying: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down"- Matthew 24:2- , and it LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, and Israel was scattered around the world until 1948, i.e.1878 years of severe punishments and curses in LITERAL fulfilment of Deusteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of terrible chastisements-Take a look. The dispersed people of Israel have never had peace in the last two millennia. And NOW? The WORST will come now, even now, from now on, because the Day of Vengeance arrived, understand? 2Thes.1:7-9; combined with Matthew 24:15-25.

    7 ... the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (angels? Luke 20:35-36.Take a look)

    8 In flaming FIRE taking VENGEANCE on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ:

    9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;

    Remember: Pilatos asked to the Jews: John 18:39-40

    39 Ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the KING of the JEWS?

    40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

    JESUS said: John 5:43-I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name(an IMPOSTOR, a FALSE MESSIAH), him ye will receive. (This prophecy of our Lord JESUS will LITERALLY be fulfilled in days ahead)

    2 Do ye know that the saints shall Judge the world?

    Re.1:7 Behold,JESUS cometh with clouds( Acts 1:9-11-take a look)and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
  • Tunney on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 5 months ago
    1 Timothy 2:1-3; 2 Peter 3:9

    Praying for the peace in Jerusalem.

    GOD bless all on this forum.

    November 20, 2023
  • Tex - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 1 year ago
    Are you referring to the apocrypha as pagan books? If so, evidence is needed. I believe that all books in the KJV 1611 are the word of The Most High God
  • Ronnette on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 1 year ago
    Based on this chapter Paul was in a trance. "Paradise" is mentioned 3X in the Bible. Jesus Christ said this particular word in Luke 23:43.

    Then in Galatians 1:15-17 and Galatians 4:25 Paul went to Arabia where My. Sinai. Does that cross your mind it is just like Moses did. Paul must have seen God and gave Paul the revelation of The Gospel of Jesus Christ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. That was a very different level of understanding (How Jesus died for our sins) VS what the 11 apostles are telling people who Jesus Christ whom the Jews crucified). That is why Pauls's epistles emphasized on trusting the blood as a propitiation as he wrote more about the grace, justification, wisdom, faith, sanctification, redemption, atonement, Charity, mysteries that God may have revealed to him. I am so happy that God gave me the ability and I think it applies to all of us to think and be serious in understanding Jesus Gospel to the Gentiles.

    I am not a Jew, so some messages only applies to the Jewish people in the last days. 2 Timothy 2:15

    Although there are some Jewish people who can be saved today, but God loves Israel who knows already and will know the King of Heaven and earth Jesus Christ today and/or later. They will be saved if they understand the message of God from their fathers when Moses brought them out of the land of Egypt until today. That is why we Gentiles need to be United to help them all.

    Some of you may not understand yet, but most already are on the same page. There is no religion, nor denominations can compete to the people who has the power of God. You know who you are.

    We continue to pray because we want as many people to attend the wedding ceremony in Heaven.

    The only thing I do not like about this site was there are pagan books in it.

    Revelation 2:7

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
  • Ronnette on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 1 year ago
    4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

    5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

    6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

    7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Agape.
  • John anonymous - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 1 year ago
    "...I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me..." John 17:9
  • David on 2 Corinthians 12 - 1 year ago
    We should all stay humble in the LORD and bring praise and honor to our LORD and nothing else.

    It is not mentioned regarding Paul's "thorn in the flesh"; but GOD often times uses these "thorns" to bring good out of it.

    As we learn to trust in the LORD, our walk will be with the grace of GOD. We will be enlighten and encouraged to trust more in the LORD because HIS strength is made perfect in our weakness.

    This chapter shows how volatile and sinful our society is and the common sins that beset them then, does so to us even now.

    May we all be diligent to pray for the ministry of the GOSPEL of CHRIST. May we be strengthened to minster even in the face of great adversity. Praying for Godly wisdom unto those who occupy the leadership of the civil, ecclesiastical and all positions of authority. May they turn to YOU LORD, and put away the vile and evil agenda that has caused our nation and many parts of the world to be in economic, social, political, and religious unrest.

    Thank YOU FATHER for hearing our cries.

    "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, LORD JESUS." Revelation 22:20

    May the Lord's hand be on all who are on this forum. The Lord's face shine upon you and your family.

    June 11, 2022
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    Hey Rosa,

    The first heaven is our atmosphere, the air we breathe, where the birds fly, where the clouds float, and where we will meet Jesus at His second coming. The second heaven is space where the moon, sun, planets, and all the stars. The third heaven is where the throne of God and Jesus, angelic beings, and much more that we cannot even comprehend.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    My understanding is that the third heaven is the same heaven John is caught up to in Revelation 4:1-2.

    The other two heavens are the earth's atmosphere (the first heaven) and outer space (the second heaven). Paul appears to be giving the order of these heavens from an earthbound perspective rather than from an order of creation perspective, since the order of these heavens would be reversed if they were numbered from the oldest to the newest.

    Genesis 1:14,15,17 says "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven ..." but in Genesis 1:20 it says God created "...fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." The addition of the word "open" to the firmament of heaven the birds could fly in means there was a different firmament of heaven that was not open to birds where the lights were.

    (Note, I believe Genesis 1:14-19 describes objects in outer space as being "in" the firmament of heaven created on the second day to portray them specifically as they appear to earthbound observers within that firmament who use them to measure earthbound time).
  • Rosa on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    Wich are the first,second,and third heaven
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    Hi elijah.

    if you are referring to this section of the passage. ( for this thing i besought the lord thrice, that it might depart from me.)

    your answer is right here in the following.

    and he said unto me, my grace is sufficient for thee: ( for my strength is made perfect in weakness. ) most gladly therefore will i rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of christ may rest upon me.

    god bless.
  • Free - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    Dear "Elijah" Paul learned from the Holy Spirit all the time. 1 Chorintihans 12:10 herefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    Paul also have a burden to the 2 Chorintihans 12:20 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

    Maybe u think 2 Chorintihans 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

    I'll think that Paul have trials like us. But this angel who God put on him was aways remembering him too stay in the Lords blessing and command always all day and night. At the werry last he tell in

    Galatians 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

    But in Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

    At last Paul get his own place, and could Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    This words may be mixed up by me, i'll think Paul's work was done here in Act's May someone here in the web have another answer.

    Paul always wright and describes his service like this 2 Corinthians 11:27

    In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

    Be blessed in the holy name Jesus Christ, Ephesians 5:17-24 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

    18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

    19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

    20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
  • Elijah on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    How did God answer Paul's second letter to the Corinthians chapter 12:7-12?
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:

    "PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" ( Romans 5:1-5)

    "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." ( Romans 8:18)

    The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" ( Romans 8:26)

    The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" ( Romans 8:27)

    God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own ( Romans 8:28)

    We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" ( Romans 8:29)

    God Helps us "bear our testings" ( 1 Corinthians 10:13)

    We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

    "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" ( 2 Corinthians 4:17)

    God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" ( Philippians 3:21) Amen?

    Conclusion:

    "For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" ( 1 Ti 1:16)?:

    "And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." ( 2 Corinthians 12:9-10)

    {Why do so-called "faith healers" ignore This Excellent Word Of God?}

    Amen? And Amen.

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?)

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • Joe - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:9 - 2 years ago
    Jesse - excellent post, expressed so very well.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:9 - 2 years ago
    Lynn,

    Paul is saying I'm not going to change my basic principle. I'm not coming there to all of a sudden be a burden to you. I'm not going to become like all those other false teachers. But this is now the third time. We know that Paul went to Corinth once, recorded for us in Acts Chapter 18, where they received the Lord, and he established the church there.

    There was a second time that he was going to go but the Lord had other plans. And so the false teachers jumped all over that one too. "He said he was going to come and see you? Where is he? He didn't make it did he? He doesn't keep his word!"

    That's why earlier Paul said our yes and our no is in the Lord, meaning we will be there if it's the Lord's will. So the false teachers made a big deal out of it. So now this is the third time that he's getting ready to come to them.

    So then we have the concept under motivation. He says "for I seek not yours, but you. Wow! The word you is literally your soul. Paul is saying I don't seek your money or your possessions, or anything else from you. I seek your soul. Talk about conviction! It doesn't matter to Paul if they have money or not. Paul's concern was over people's souls.

    Then he gives the reason, "For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. So Paul is saying "You're the children. You're not supposed to support me, I'm supposed to support you."

    That's kind of backwards to the direction we find ourselves in today. But leadership is supposed to support the people, not financially, but with the ministry of the gospel, just as if they were his children. What requirements do you put on your children? Responsibility? Yes! But don't kick your children out just because they are broke.

    Hopefully this helps!
  • Lynn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:9 - 2 years ago
    I would like to know, Would someone explain 2 Corinthians 12:14 means please
  • Luke thompson on 2 Corinthians 12:9 - 2 years ago
    Gorgeous , as are all others. thank you dear loving lord!!!!
  • Rotimi Olukorede on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    The man of God, Apostle Paul brings to light the need for Christians to accept the will of God in every circumstance because all the time it is for our greater good. In order to redeem from pride, Paul says he was afflicted. God taught him to accept and live with the pain because of his abundant grace available to him. Paul say if not for this he probably would have been talking only about his exploits. But God taught him to humble himself and rather glory in his infirmities. That's where our strength lies. To let people know that though i was weak, i could not help myself but God sustained me and brought me out.

    Its indeed a lesson on humility
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 3 years ago
    I can't think of any verses that specifically conform to what you want, but you could take a look at the following:

    Psalm 139.

    Jeremiah 1:5.

    Romans 8:29.

    Ephesians 1:4,5.
  • Bob lehocki on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 3 years ago
    Hello, I have question regarding passage" I knew you before you were conceived you were sinner" or"LORD knew us before creating this world".

    Could you please direct me to that passage in the Bible

    Thank you
  • Apostle Ida S Mitchell on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    What does the Bible say about "ENDURANCE " and how many times is that Word used in the Scriptures?
  • Patty Tozi on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    What is Faith? Faith is doing what you know is true in Jesus Christ our Savior. To go after the impossible and search out new ways to accomplish the impossible thru His Blood to your Holy Father who watches and hears all our impossible prayers in Faith to come true. Never getting our mind off what we want or need. Healing is always close if you never give up believing in God's Strength and words. Always forcing on the impossible of it happening and making it happen for others even though you your self are suffering in a Illness. KEEP GOD'S STRENGTH...FOCUS ON HIS WORD....Nothing is impossible for those who believe. And keep the Faith!!!..........AMEN.....Keep the FAITH!!!
  • Addrena Parsons - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for sharing this, sometimes we so caught up in what is happening that we forget how powerful our God is.
  • Learning Spiritual Warfare - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    Ephesians 6. You're going to have to learn to fight INVISIBLE enemies. We know they're around because of their evil fruit (pain, suffering, broken appliances, sickness, injuries)

    Scrape up some Holy Righteous anger on their assaults and return that pain to Sender. Slamdunk some Bible, helps books, YouTube ministries that teach spiritual warfare. We may all have to start wearing the Armor Of God around the clock. No time off. Stay alert.

    If you're at a loss for words: plead the blood of Jesus over you, loved ones, property, job, finances; everything!

    In the Bible Jesus showed us (fasting 40 days story) that He fought Satan off by quoting SCRIPTURES to To the devil (and demons). IT IS WRITTEN: (scripture here)

    Look at the gospels again and write some down on a sheet of paper to memorize.

    When it happens you must fight back then.

    Be ready to send those demons into dry places or outer darkness (they hate both).

    Prevent their return by pleading Jesus's Holy shed Blood over each encounter.

    Check the home for hidden or forgotten idol-like objects; books, movies, games; pc downloads. Let it go.

    Demons leave but their friends check back in periodically to see if your still mad at them. Bone up on your Bible reading and see how Jesus and Paul handled it.

    I see overcomer in your future, turned warrior. God bless you and protect you as you learn new knowledge.

    Mishael
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    I feel your pain. See your doctor - quick - before it infects your finger. But watch out for Satan - he will soon find another way to buffet you & it might be more severe than what you have now.
  • Ronnie on 2 Corinthians 12 - 3 years ago
    I have this Thorn in my flesh of the messenger of Satan to buffet me, thrice I tried to remove it from my right index finger et unsuccessful.
  • Using This Website Bible Study Tools To Find Answers Quick on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 3 years ago
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    Scroll slowly downward until you see the COMMENTARY BOX.

    Some commentary will explain in groups of scripture ie.1-5, 6-20, Etc

    I use this a lot! If search can't find your particular verse, a box to search in Google will pop up. Scan the verses there and see if you see the scripture worded a little differently.

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  • Elizabeth Bunn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Im 71 and my child 52 and I've tried to explain to her it means spiritual not monetary but she keeps saying that parents should lay up treasures for their children She is a Christian by seems she just can't accept this concept I agree it's talking about Spiritual Thanks for your comment


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