1 Timothy Chapter 5 Discussion

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  • S Spencer - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:25
    Hi Terry, I believe it's the influence of the flesh a substance can have on you is the the issue. Even some music can get you out of the spirit .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:25
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    As you will note, that these portions show what the Christian's attitude should be concerning the things we allow into our body or mind. We have many Scriptures about that which affects the spirit, but here it's the body. The apostles write, that though there may not be a specific command to abstain or avoid some things, we have to ask "Is it the right thing to do before God & man; will I be gripped by its power; will the thing defile me, God's Temple, where the Holy Spirit resides; will I still have full control of my mind & not let the substance control me?"

    Your grandson is old enough to understand & relate to these questions I'm sure. There are many fine believers who can take a drink & still control their intake & behaviour of mind & body, but that shouldn't give us licence to imbibe freely, knowing that our downfall is ever lurking. We shouldn't see that a "deacon having a little wine" as carte blanche for all. We are all individually responsible for actions of our body, mind & spirit before God with Whom we have to do.

    May God give you Terry, the wisdom & grace as you share with your grandson & the necessary spiritual fortitude to resist any such temptation that might be to his hurt. Keep tabs on his life & his friendships - it will be your part in watching over his soul.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:25
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    That's always going to be a difficult subject to discuss, nevertheless extremely important as young people particularly, are under much peer pressure to 'try it & conform'. You don't mention whether your grandson's questions were just a general enquiry or because his friends were 'doing it' & therefore was being open enough to get your biblical perspective.

    First off, drugs, any drugs are a No-No. I don't believe that even a little use can do no harm. It's the present curse in society & resulting in much irreparable damage & death. With alcohol or any substance that might be ingested (even foods), my continual urging is for restraint & conforming to the Word of God.

    Three portions of Scripture that govern me in this area are:

    1 Corinthians 6:12 "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

    1 Corinthians 3:16,17: "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

    1 Peter 1:13: "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ."
  • Abi Osokoya on 1 Timothy 5
    Abi on 1 Timothy 5:18

    According to 2 Samuel 21:20-21, Jonathan son of Shimea David's brother slew the giant that had 12 fingers and 12 toes.
  • According to 2 Samuel 21:20-21, Jonathan son of Shimea David's brother slew the giant that had 12 fingers and 12 toes.
  • Curtislang31gmailcom on 1 Timothy 5:18
    Verse 3
  • Rose Washington on 1 Timothy 5:18
    What was the name of the man that killed the GlANT having twelve fingers and toes
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:18
    King David.
  • Carleton - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:18
    It continues to amaze me how Rahab married into Judah by Salmon while Ruth married into the Judah by their son Boaz and they had Obed who begat Jesse who begat King David.

  • Bible Study is The Best - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:18
    There's little bits of info in the genealogies that match with stories of people's lives. I'd miss huge gaps in Genesis until I slowed down to literally read at a snails pace.

    Keep 'Cliff' in your Bible and pray for him to turn back to God.
  • What and where is perdition ?
  • Carl Dodge on 1 Timothy 5:18
    Give me an exposee on this verse so that I have a very clear understanding of it
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:18

    There are two pieces of scripture here that Paul uses to back up what he is saying. First of all, Deuteronomy 25:4 says thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn.

    In 1 Corinthians Chapter 9, Paul says you don't think that God was talking about oxen do you? If you have an oxen treading the corn, you got to feed that oxen too or else he's not going to be around to tread the corn for you.

    The second scripture is Luke 10:7, the words of Jesus where He says the laborer is worthy of his reward, or hire. So Paul is saying that we should acknowledge those who labor in the word, and in doctrine, and make sure that they're taken care of.

    This goes along with what Bendito is saying which I completely agree with!
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5
    The best expose' for this verse is found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9. The original reference is Deuteronomy 25:4 which means as the ox is working hard to get you fed, you should be merciful and allow for it to receive part of the benefit. We should all take real good care of our ministers in the Word.
  • Vincent - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5
    Verse 18 concludes verse 17.

    Essentially one is to give respect, generally, to the elders in the church, but even more so those whom study the word (Bible) and doctrine (teaching). 2 Timothy 2:15 Not everybody studies the Bible any more because it takes effort and diligence. If a leader does these things, he should be awarded double honour because he takes his office even more seriously.
  • Mk prosper - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5
    He is the man that created heaven and earth,he created all manner of things and handed it over man but dual to sin of our forefathers we can't take care of it ontill we recieve him back as our christ and personal saviour
  • Leon Trotsky on 1 Timothy 5:23
    All things in moderation. Even your interpretations of some thing written thousands of years ago . Let us not forget where the making of wine came from. It was Gods gift to Noah for saving the faithful.
  • Mishael On Galatians 323-25 on 1 Timothy 5:8
    3:23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    3:24. Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    3:25. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster

    For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    Acts 15:10
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:8
    A great Scripture in Galatians, Mishael. That was indeed the purpose of the Law, that ultimately it was to show to both Jew & Gentile that justification could never be by the Law, but by Grace through Faith. That obedience to the Law only brought death (Romans 7:10; 8:2).
  • Jean on 1 Timothy 5:8
    Thank you! I love this commentary and responses. Many times a wife has had to deal with many issues surrounding this scripture as husbands placed as the head with the responsibility of providing and protecting. The help mate has many times been a great support to the head and has been severely and financially abused in the role reversal because the head is not providing.

    An infidel indeed, Sometimes that head is a teacher/pastor who is so engulfed in the church they forget about home. Can we say they are so busy taking care of Gods bride they forget their own...

    For those out there who are Bible quoting Christians professing the gospel that don't live it. James 3:1 says you will be held at even a higher strictness.

    Can we explore James 3:1 please?
  • Bob Duke on 1 Timothy 5:12
    Do these early church members lose their salvation by yielding to carnal ways?
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:12
    Bob, are you asking about 1 Timothy 5:12?

    That verse has to be taken in context beginning at Verse 3 and going to Verse 16. It is Paul's instruction concerning widows in the church. There is a lot of information in these verses, and we would take those verses in context to understand Verse 12.

    Verse 12 says "Having damnation, literally judgment, because they have cast off their first faith. In context, I think what Paul is saying in this chapter is that all people, husbands and wives, they are stuck in a situation where they must either please the wife, please the husband, or please the Lord. It's like what if we know what the Lord wants us to do, but we can't because the other person says "If you do that, I'll throw this lamp and hit you over the head with it!" What do you do?

    As far as carnal goes, do you know that a believer can be carnal and it be perfectly normal? There is a normal carnal, and an abnormal carnal that can be applied to a believer in Christ. And since I don't believe salvation can be lost, I would have to say no to your question of them losing their salvation.
  • Bob Duke - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:12
    Thank you Sir! Very helpful answer! So much appreciated!
  • Ss on 1 Timothy 5
    Some have turned aside after Satan.

  • Douglas G Wells on 1 Timothy 5
    As long as did not get drunk off the wine then go to cause war between the son and the farther and mother
  • BSP on 1 Timothy 5
    Verse 8~Jehovah God expects us to provide materially and spiritually for our families.
  • Lockett on 1 Timothy 5
    Thanks for the enlightenment, inspirational, Scriptures of the love I have for my Parents and Grandparents Aunt's and Uncle's plus all my brothers and sisters God also said love thy neighbor's and so shall I do. Demisia Patrice Lockett
  • BSP on 1 Timothy 5
    Verse 1~If we must offer correction to an older man or woman we want to do so with respect as we would to our parents.
  • Ivan on 1 Timothy 5
    Jim Excellent advise. I believe contrary to modern opinion that God does want us out of debt so we can more abundantly support the coming revival upon our earth before the Second coming of Christ. Many believers today think that if they have an expensive car or house they are blessed. Unfortunately they don't tell you their monthly payments. Debt is not a blessing.
  • BSP on 1 Timothy 5
    Verse 17: Elders who are taking the lead in the congregation in a righteous way and are hard working are worthy of special honor and respect.

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