1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 Discussion

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  • Patty Tozi on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    The Lord will always Fight for you. Always remember in these days. Never knowing the outcome of each day we are weary and afraid. Put the word of God in front of you. The music of His words that will straighten you. Close your eyes and look for His light that will surround you -- protecting you at all times. Go after everything you were afraid of doing in the past. Go after it as your day to day will end at a moment notice. Protect your self from spiritual warfare of this world. Stay close to God as never before. Look at all His creations. Sounds He created for us. Get your mind off of not succeeding--- But making it work with God right in front of you. Be quiet and listen to God talking to you. Watch for signs. Watch for unusual things to happen for the Best. Stay in Prayer and walking close to Him in your heart. Pretty soon you will feel His Special Light of His Love that will be able to move mountains at what you want in your life. Stay close to God Always....
  • Laura - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Thank You so much all I can do is try God himself would have to break into my heart and soul to be that person he want me to be I'm not perfect I'm just a sinner trying to find my way to him I'm so blinded by my hurt and disappointments I can't see I just don't think he really want me I know in my heart I'm not worthy of Him I'm tired if I went to sleep tonite and didn't wake up tomorrow that would be fine but only if i knew GOD would take me home with Him i'll be ok
  • The Ongoing War in Our Minds - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Familiar spirits are evil monitoring spirits sent from the pit of hell to monitor your ancestors all the way to you.

    Morning Prayer: Binding the strongman

    This is the day the Lord has made; I will rejoice and be glad in it! Today I rest in the embrace of my heavenly Father's love for me. My father loves me. He spoke me forth from before the beginning of this world, and said this is my child, never rejected! I center myself in Jesus Christ, and I proclaim I am forgiven. There is now no condemnation for me because I am in Christ Jesus!

    For this day, I renounce all fear, doubt, worry, unbelief, discouragement, depression, pride, arrogance, gossip, [insert here what's troubling your mind],

    and in the strong name of Jesus Christ I repent my sin and I take back any ground I have given the enemy in my life!

    TODAY, I renounce all fear, doubt, worry, unbelief, discouragement, depression, pride, arrogance, gossip, [fill in your specifics] , and in the strong name of Jesus Christ I repent my sin and I TAKE BACK any ground I have given the enemy in my life!

    I thank you Jesus for walking with me all day today, and I praise you for your unsearchable love and majesty. Help me to be an instrument of your Peace. Amen"

    As we pray this part of the Morning Prayer, we are entering the strongman's house and binding him and his work in our lives. As we repent our sins and renounce the ways that we have given the devil a foothold, we will begin to live in the Freedom and power that Christ died to give us.

    The battle with Satan is largely in our MIND. The devil wants control of our minds because if he can control our mind, he can control us. The way we reject Satan and his lies is to repent Of believing the lies and renouncing them.

    Renouncing simply means: to verbally reject something. We speak our rejection of Satan out loud because he, unlike God, cannot hear what we think. He can only hear what we SPEAK OUT.

    Let me know how it goes, ok? Mishael
  • What's the context of these chapter ? It's the loud coming of the Lord !

    Verse 15

    Verse 16

    Where in the world do these false teachers think it's a secret silent rapture ? Don't buy their spirit of Antichrist!
  • Norman Walker Butch - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Rob I have a real problem with knowing who to trust that are on tv preaching whether or not they are real and with all of the things that are going on now I have even more problems with it. How do you know if they are honest God loving people or just in it for the money? I never have trusted them much anyway and now I just do not watch them at all. So sad but the Bible tells us all about it. That is one thing I like about this site because to me it is for real and nothing for anyone to make any money on it and I love it! I do think if there was ever a time in my life the end is near is right now after 70 years. One thing I do know is a day is like a thousand years to the Lord and know man shall know not even the Son so what a day that will be. Amen and Praise the Lord
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Yes I know your concern about TV evangelicalism.

    I had the same questions about Jimmy Baker and the likes of them back in the 70 and 80 s and even B G the most popular of them all .

    The truth should make people doubt them , because these teachers just don't add up in some way .

    The apostle Paul said in 1 Thessalonians ch 2 v 9 , 10

    That he Labored with that he may not be chargeable unto any !

    That means to me he did not want anyone thinking that there was gain in his service to him . But he truly cared more for them than any gain or appearance of gain .

    Godliness with contentment is great gain !

    What an example apostle Paul was !

    It's even wrong to be asking for tithes .

    Taking from the poor is never right ! They can give if they desire like the poor widow that gave her mite. But to take from the poor is sinful !

    Collections in the NT where so they could distribute to the poor believers, quite the opposite. But nothing stopping them to give if they desire to from the heart .
  • Jesus said it's better to give than to receive.

    For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

    "And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth
  • Stanjett - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    word rapture is not in the bible BUT that don't mean it is not real. When all believers meet Jesus in the clouds is what we believe to be the rapture. Just because the word is not in the bible don't mean it is not true.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    No. It means you are saved right then. Not later. You do not have to do anything else. ( you will, but you don't have to.) Some say you have to be babtized. You do but not to be saved. You are already saved before you are babtized. After you are saved you will do what He says to do, like being babtized and follow Him.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    The word rapture is not in the bible. BUT that don't mean that there won't be one. It's clear that there will be one. When the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we that are alive will rise and meet the Lord in the sky.
  • It's like the trinity doctrine it's contrived but not only is the word not in the Bible neither is the event , just like the triune god is not in the Bible either.

    Jess is said beware many come in my name saying I AM Christ and the end draweth near , like the imment rapture for the last 200 years and date setters all wrong !
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    The King James Bible calls it: caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds.

    The Day of the Lord.

    Use your center of each page reference columns (little abc notes) in the scriptures. Those will send you to other Like scriptures.

    There are mentions in the Old and New Testament.

    The Rapture - the raising of the Church into heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:17): is the next event on the prophetic calendar. The Rapture is when Christ comes back and takes every Christian that is still on this earth and resurrects all of those who have died and takes them to heaven with Him. In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-8, Paul expresses that the Lord's return will be like a thief in the night. No one knows the date or time. However, there are several signs of the End Times that we can all be aware of. Events such as earthquakes and diseases, war and dispute among nations, and persecution against Christians are all signs leading to the Rapture.


    Matthew chapter 24: 1-46

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:2

    Revelation 1:7, 3:10

    1 Corinthians 15: 51-53
  • Michael - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
  • Joseph Bertolucci on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    This is what I'm waiting for.
  • Brian colon on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Is the rapture just before the 7 yr tribulation?
  • Betty Mitchell on 1 Thessalonians 4:16
    If you believed in christ,but never go to repent because of a sudden death( accident), how does God forgive us for sin?
  • Confessing Jesus With The Mouth - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:16
    If they had confessed their belief in Jesus to you or others; that's what matters. Read these scriptures and be at peace in your heart about it. We don't hear what people pray in the middle of the night, alone in their bed. So, Believe the best.

    Matthew 10:32

    Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

    Luke 12:8

    Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

    Romans 10:9

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    1 John 4:15

    Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

    John 12:42

    Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

    Romans 14:11

    For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    Philippians 2:11

    And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Revelation 3:5

    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Romans 15:9

    And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

    John 9:22

    These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

    1 John 1:9

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    May Jesus be your Peace, Mishael
  • Rick Colombe on 1 Thessalonians 4
    To L Hennigan and anyone else who embraces this "rapture theory". We are to rightly divide truth from fiction in God's Word. Then you asked for scriptural proof. You just read some of it in 1 Thess. 4: 14,15,16, and 17...!!! No where in His Word does it state anything referring to a "rapture". Why would God do what you suggest? He protected His people crossing the Red Sea. He protected Daniel while in the lions den. Shaderach, Meshach, and Abednigoh "spelling" while IN the furnace. And throughout scripture we see His hand of protection while people go through adversity. What makes you believe God is going to change His plan to fit man's beliefs? Call it a "rapture" if you must, but it will NOT happen until the very end. Christ returns for the harvest at the end. Not pre or mid tribulation.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Rick, you said, & I quote: "Why would God do what you suggest? He protected His people crossing the Red Sea. He protected Daniel while in the lions' den. Shaderach, Meshach, and Abednigoh "spelling" while IN the furnace. And throughout scripture we see His hand of protection while people go through adversity."

    I believe that what most people are missing out on here (or, avoiding), is the difference between God's PROTECTION of His people & God's REMOVAL of His people. There are clear instances of both types of dealings by God with His own. You have correctly suggested examples of God's protection (viz. the Red Sea crossing & the lions' den) & we have examples of God NOT protecting His people from harm, eg. Stephen's execution, the martyrdom of so many, including the apostles of Christ, etc.

    How about when God intervenes to remove His people from a situation? True, we all experience adversity in various degrees & we do prove the Lord faithful, but adversity & afflictions come to us (e.g. the present pandemic) because we are sinners living in a sinful world & reaping its unavoidable fruit. But do we see a difference in Scripture when God intervenes, not to keep us during our trials, but to remove us from them? And we see this clearly when God's Action comes upon the world as a result of His great Anger & not the result of living in a corrupt body in a corrupt world.

    So when we see God's Wrath turning upon mankind, don't we always see His subsequent removal of those who are His? We can refer to the Flood & Sodom & Gomorrah as examples. Is not the Great Tribulation to come likewise a demonstration of God's Wrath upon a sinful, Christ-rejecting world? Are those who have been purchased by the blood of the Lamb & received propitiation from their sins & brought into the family of God, still subject to God's Anger upon the World? If so, why? Is this the Character of God we read of in His Word? For your thoughts.
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Noah didn't have to treed water. He gave him a boat. :)

    I am starting to think advertising is the strong deception. "this is not a gambling site. please play responsibly" seen on tv.

    meal replacements have at the least 80grams of sugar, but you will not find sugar listed on the label. I know medical professionals have three or four during a busy shift. no wonder they can't move once they get home.

    it may not be a strong deception, but it sure must rate somewhere close.
  • Jeff Hill - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Totally Agree!

    Rapture is a fairytail started by the Catholic Church/Jesuit Priest
  • Charles - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    what are the wheels in Ezekiel 1?
  • Jeff - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    I wish I knew the answer to that!

    I think the design of the wheels are interesting ie circles intersecting circles!

    I imagine some type of craft with the wheels producing some kind of scalar energy!

    But who knows! Sure hope I get to see it sometime!!
  • Rick Colombe on 1 Thessalonians 4
    In reply to T Moore's comment and "rapture" theory. Please look up John Nelson Darby where you'll find the origins of the "rapture hoax". Will we be caught up with Jesus? Yes we will. The dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are alive will follow. This all happens when Christ returns for the final harvest. At the "end". NOT pre trib or mid trib, but at the end. The final trump when Christ returns with a "shout". May God give us eyes that see and ears that hear what He wants, and NOT what we want. Amen.
  • L Hennigan - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Please provide scriptural proof that the Bride of Christ (The Church) will be raptured (caught up) to forever be with the Lord after the 7 year Tribulation. Thank you!
  • Jamie C. on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Kevin, my mistake, I pasted the wrong passage. It's Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
  • Jamie C. on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Kevin, you are thinking of John 7:27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.
  • Word 76 on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Verse 13 is the subject those that are dead, asleep and it goes on to tell us they are returning at the 7th trump with the Lord and no where does it say rapture or retuning. Read Ezekiel 13 and know no one flys to save their soul that is a thought up from preachers own minds that made it up out of their own Devine thoughts, not From God and he hates those that teach it. We who are alive are here through the tribulation and we will be here until the Lord returns at the 7th trump with fire to clean the earth of evil. Satan comes in deception Revelation 12 and stands in Jerusalem claiming to be God return and don't follow him. If someone shows up in peace and prosperity making a 1 world system claiming he is God he's not because The Lord comes with fire and hail stones and lights up the sky and all will know who God is.
  • Connect this chapter vs 16-17 to 1 Thess. 2:7 and surely, when the believers respond to God's trumpet they meet Jesus in the clouds..not on earth and not everyone will hear the trumpet since those dead or alive without Christ still remain to face tribulation. These are my favorite scriptures and so let us comfort one another for the soon coming "caught up" or snatching up into the clouds event
  • D W L - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

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