1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 Discussion


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  • Word 76
    Verse 13 is the subject those that are dead, asleep and it goes on to tell us they are returning at the 7th trump with the Lord and no where does it say rapture or retuning. Read Ezekiel 13 and know no one flys to save their soul that is a thought up from preachers own minds that made it up out of their own Devine thoughts, not From God and he hates those that teach it. We who are alive are here through the tribulation and we will be here until the Lord returns at the 7th trump with fire to clean the earth of evil. Satan comes in deception Revelation 12 and stands in Jerusalem claiming to be God return and don't follow him. If someone shows up in peace and prosperity making a 1 world system claiming he is God he's not because The Lord comes with fire and hail stones and lights up the sky and all will know who God is.
  • T Moore
    Yes I am now aware of the change. I'm connecting more dots. I believe the 'Rapture' will happen at, The Door of Summer' 6/20-6/21. Making us still a "Spring Bride" & "Summer Fruit Harvest". Trumps Speech on 6/20/2020 representing and proclaiming our freedom & deliverance (June teenth/Emancipation), the solar eclipse 6/21, 'New Moon' on 6/21. Strongs # 620 "to leave behind , remain, abandon, desert. 620 Gk. "Asnappar' meaning, Creator of a son", those which are bound (Psalms 68:6 "he brought out those which are bound with chains. 6x6x6=216/621: Strongs # 621 if you read both Greek/Hebrew, A wife, prisoners he received, he took also Joseph's Wife (the Bride) to receive back. Joseph type of Christ. One must read all additional entries in Greek & Hebrew, reading as one statement. It tells of us being in chains, prison and being set free! Also the story of those left behind. 62 means Abel Beth-maakah, a city in Northern Israel "New Jersalem" (meadow of water). 216 speaks of a 'light, morning light, dawn, Yahweh, a source of light, enlightenment & prosperity, everlasting light of Zion. 216 (Gk) mute, speechless. The United States Constitution was ratified June 21, 1788. Bibical History: Spies Dispatched (1312 BCE) Moses dispatched 12 spies to tour the Holy Land in preparation for its conquest by the people of Israel. I love that "Neith", Joseph's Wife means "she is the terrifying one". Let the Rapture of the Bride be terrifying to all. I pray for Grace for the remaining Bride left behind.
  • Mexxy
    Connect this chapter vs 16-17 to 1 Thess. 2:7 and surely, when the believers respond to God's trumpet they meet Jesus in the clouds..not on earth and not everyone will hear the trumpet since those dead or alive without Christ still remain to face tribulation. These are my favorite scriptures and so let us comfort one another for the soon coming "caught up" or snatching up into the clouds event
  • D W L
    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
  • Louie
    2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is the reference I believe you intended to site.
  • Mexxy
    LOUIE, thank you for pointing out my misquote...am very sorry for that and I meant to quote 2 Thess 2:7 "...the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he that now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way" which I am sure when the Holy Spirit which is in the Christians is taken out to meet the Lord in clouds, all hell breaks loose on earth tribulation .
  • Norma
    What a beautiful passage to comfort us! So longing for the day when I can see Jesus, the Son of the Living God!
  • Sally
    1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
  • Sarah, A young Follower
    I just love to read this chapter. I would like to emphasize Verse 14
  • Tom
    "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Wow, just wow! This is what is going to happen to The Church in the Rapture! What an amazing day it will be!
  • Mexxy
    Brother TOM, WOW, exactly and so vs 18 " wherefore COMFORT one another with these words", Amen.
  • Tom
    Amen! God bless! :
  • Ivy Johnson
    1 Thessalonians 4:1-18: Key verses 13-18! written by Paul: on Second Missionary Journey: taught how to separate themselves: walk morally upright: please God(4:1-8): God teaches us to live in brotherly love: and to conduct ourselves in the Christian Fellowship: The dead in the Lord: rise first: caught up: together with the living: meet the Lord in the Air:
    Both living
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    Love the Bible
  • I am that Michael Isaac Dale
    It is not pride as I can do nothing of mine own self: but only what my Holy Father commands. Whether my Father commands it be I am that Michael Isaac Dale, or I AM THAT I AM, it is of my Father. I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and am of GOD. He who is of GOD cannot sin. You are he who rebelled against my commandment to repent, confessing not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
  • Patty Tozi
    Make God a part of your life as you open your eyes in the morning. Tell Him you Love Him. Don't be too busy to pray. Include Him in all that you do. He knows your heartaches you tried to hide. The things you are now going through. He knows all your questions. But better then that, He has the solutions. Ask His forgiveness if there is something you feel that you shouldn't have done. STAY CLOSE!!
  • Bruce
    Wrath of God is Not The Tribulation. If You Read The Bible you Would Know The Difference Between Wrath of God and The Tribulation or Look in a Concordance or Dictionary it explains, Easily. Wrath is For The Lost, Will be Poured Out(Revelation 16:1-21) Tribulation is Satan Attacking Believers. your title Says you have Pride(it's Sin) you have No Authority, that's Foolishness( John 6:44, Romans 1)
  • I am that Michael Isaac Dale
    Tribulation for GOD'S children is being encompassed by antichrists like you. GOD'S wrath is for the children of disobedience who are proud, hating humility and despising repentance. My Holy Father made hell (to be cast into the lake of fire with death,) for Satan and his angels, not the meek and lowly in heart. BY AUTHORITY GIVEN ME OF MY HOLY FATHER, I NOW COMMAND YOU TO REPENT AND SUBMIT TO GOD:
  • I am that Michael Isaac Dale
    This world's end is near. So, it MUST BE that JESUS CHRIST IS COME in the flesh, which YE CONFESS NOT. For Christ's disciples asked privately, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken unto us by HIS SON.
  • Sarah, A young Follower
    That is so true I could never put together a comment as meaningful as that :3 ur kewl!
  • Bruce
    He that Shall Endure Unto The End The Same Shall be Saved( Matthew 24:13) All That Live Godly in Christ Shall Suffer Persecution(2 Timothy3:12) They Told You There Should be Mockers in The Last Time Who Should Walk After Their Own Ungodly Lusts(Jude17-18) The Lost Will Speak Evil of God's Children. False Teachers Bring Upon Themselves Swift Destruction(2 Peter 1-3) Ask Forgiveness. The End is Near
  • I am that Michael Isaac Dale
    This wicked, perverting the right ways of the LORD says, Believers on The Other Side of The Planet are Thrown out of Their Homes Tortured Killed or Imprisoned. The Holy Scriptures say, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me has everlasting life.
  • Bruce
    Believers Will have Tribulation,Trouble,Persecution Brought on by Non-Believers/ We Must Through Much Tribulation Enter into The Kingdom of God(Acts 14:22) Believers on The Other Side of The Planet are Thrown out of Their Homes Tortured Killed or Imprisoned.There's Only One Last Trump(1 Corinthians 15:52) There's Only One First Resurrection(Revelation 20:6) Simplicity: Believers have Tribulation
  • Bruce
    We are in The Tribulation. It Started About 2000 Yrs Ago.Tribulation is Persecution Against Believers, Satan causing as Much Trouble that he Can. Tribulation, Trouble, Persecution Come from The Same Word. In 25% of The World(Revelation 6) There's Wars, Starvation etc. Believers are Tortured,Raped,Thrown in Prison Beheaded. After The Tribulation, Then The Rapture(Matthew 24:29-31)
  • Clarence
    Yep, apparently, some don't like simplicity.
  • Vicki
    Those who deny a pretribulation Rapture of the church simply don’t understand the Scriptures or what the grear tribulation is or who itks for. It’s the time of Jacob or Israel’s trouble, Daniel’s 70th week. It’s not for the church.
  • Bruce
    We which are Alive and Remain Shall be Caught Up Together with Them in The Clouds, to Meet The Lord in The Air. It's Not The 2nd Coming. It's All The Believers Being Taken Off This Planet(Verse16-18) Immediately After The Tribulation--- They Shall See The Son of Man Coming in The Clouds of Heaven--- and He Will Send His Angels--- Together His Elect(Matthew 24:29-31) Rapture: Caught Up, Taken Away
  • David
    One of the most controversial scriptures in the New Testament. As a volunteer media person working for Hal Lindsey this verse was the most quoted to support the "Rapture". I have learned since the rapture is a false teaching. This verse clearly stating the Jesus's second coming and nothing else. If you do a word study of the Latin word of rapture, you find it's true meaning is synonymous with "Levitate". Protestants are praying for levitation?? Another Pastor asked me before I repented about buying into the rapture logic, "You believe in the 2.5 returns of Jesus?" ... uh no. ... "As in the Noah, shall be the second of man." Life on earth before "God sealed the Ark" was pretty horrific. Do we really think we will be conveniently raptured levitated out. False teaching.
  • Bob
    This is what's commonly known as The Rapture or scripturely "The Blessed Hope" of Titus 2:13 Lets Believers in Jesus Christ know what happens at "The Rapture" while I Corin.15:49-58 lets us know how this happens, same event Amen? AMEN!
  • Jason Phelps
    Several witnesses as to not be deceived Mark 13 Matthew 24 Paul himself in 2nd Thess. Christ does not come until the 7th Trump...After the son of perdition stands in the Holy Place claiming to be Christ...Book of Daniel also...It is written...Peace!


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