1 Thessalonians Chapter 1 Discussion

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  • Fran
    Mule, in reply to Thessalonians 1... those who are without sin, cast the first stone.
  • Marie
    where does it say do not pass judgement on others , or to judge or be judged
  • Adam
    Matthew 7:1 is one. Link
  • Mule
    What do I tell people who think Christians are bad because of the crusades?
  • Mickey
    People find all kinds of excuses to deny Jesus. Each time, their hearts harden. Too bad.. all the love they ever craved was standing at the door of their heart; knocking.
  • Dan
    All people have done wrong and sinned. Those who think Christians are worse are mistaken, because atheists have created more atrocities, like Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong. It doesn't mean their religion is to blame though. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek and to love others. Killing is a violation. Just because someone violates their religion doesn't mean the religion is somehow to blame. I can't play the piano and if I try to play Mozart and do a bad job, does that mean Mozart was a bad composer? The associations are logical fallacies. Also the crusades were mostly Catholic, in certain part of the world that was recently attacked. So, its false to blame all Christians for it.
  • Chris
    Ravi Zacharias has a good video on this subject you can find online.
  • JB MAC
    Why have you removed the word "wine skins" and replaced it with "wine bottles"? And would you please return the bible to its original form?. It is not wise to tamper with God's word. Please repent and correct it.

    Thank you.
    jb mac.
  • Adam
    Hello, why would you assume the KJV ever said 'skins'? Other translations use that word, but not KJV. KJV has always been 'bottles' and that is proven by looking at a scan of the original printing 400+ years ago which happens to be right here on this site: Link - Usually not a good idea to accuse others of things you haven't fully researched yourself then to ask people you don't know to 'repent' about it already being correct? Have you prayed to God before making these claims? Matthew 7:5
  • Mickey
    When I was younger I was involved in street ministry. I too thought Catholics were derailed until I ran into 3 Catholic teens who had just had someone tell them they were going to hell for praying to Mary, mother of Jesus. I asked them WHAT they believed about Jesus. Do you believe Jesus is the son of God? Do you believe He lived a perfect sinless life? That he was crucified on the Cross for your sins? That He died and 3 days later was resurrected to life. They all said yes to each question. I hugged them and prayed for their pain of being accused. Luke ch. 1:48 prophesies: ALL GENERATIONS shall call Mary BLESSED. Catholics do this. Do not Judge them.
  • Mickey
    I did ask the 3 boys if they had received Jesus as Lord & Savior. The whole point of that testimony is people being judgements about the Catholic Church. God leaned in on me and said DONT judge! Then He set me down to see the prophesy spoken to Mary by the angel, which she repeated. In Matthew. ALL generations will call me blessed. I don't have to defend God. He will work out every detail. Fact is your garden variety Christian doesn't give Jesus's mother a 2nd thought. Admit it.
  • Jesse
    None of us have the right to tell someone they are going to hell because they are Catholic and they pray to Mary, even though we are to pray to God alone through Jesus Christ. A more proper approach would have been to show them what the Bible teaches about prayer, and who we are to pray to. You asked some great questions, but did you ask them if they ever received Christ and been born of His Spirit? Even though they answered yes to all your questions, belief in itself does not save them. A person must receive Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
    Can we tell someone they will end up in hell? Yes! If someone flat out rejects Christ, we have the authority to tell them that will end up in hell.
  • Kenny
    My brother, please reconsider your views on this. Jesus is our role model. We must study the life of Christ and how he walked this earth. Jesus taught us that we must love as he did. Pray as he did. Help as he did. Jesus himself was baptized Matthew 3:16 - Matthew 20:22&23. As you mentioned, we must believe Jesus is the way. You must also understand that Baptism is necessary for the Christian that once you believe on Jesus and accept him, baptism is a symbolic act of you dying to the world(self)of sin, and resurrecting in the new life of Jesus. 2 Corinth 5:17 Says if you are in Christ you are a new creature. Baptism symbolizes that newness. Grace gives you a right to salvation, have to earn it.
  • Benji
    I think you're confusing our Christian walk with Salvation. like I said to Waunda: " Baptism, AFTER we are saved, is good, and if if you can be baptized then go ahead. But NOT to be saved.".So I'm not saying don't be Baptised. I'm saying you don't have to be baptized, to be saved. You said it was a requirement for Salvation. That's a problem. And on top of that, you said you have to earn it (Salvation) another problem. Because Salvation is the GIFT of God and that not of ourselves (See Ephesians 2:8-9). And let me emphasize John 3:36 again: He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life. Meaning the moment you believe you HAVE it. You don't earn it. That's works Salvation.
  • Adam
    Hi Benji, I'd like to challenge your OSAS belief with what Jesus himself said in John 14:15. Do you think Jesus was being bad and legalistic by saying to keep his commandments? If a Christian is already saved and doesn't have to keep his commandments then what incentive is there to? Is there any negative consequence whatsoever if a Christian mass murders people or worships satan or does any number of despicable things? If you claim he's not a real Christian, no, he is. I know people who are 100% absolutely Christians and some turn to denounce Jesus and do horrible things. They were Christians. If all you do is believe to be saved, do you believe Hitler and most people on earth are saved?
  • Marsha
    Spreading love and positivity across the Nation, World, and Universe! Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty! He who was, is, and is to come! Glory be to the Lord God Almighty! I praise you Lord! I bless you Lord! I humble myself! I rebuke satan and I repent! I worship thee! I exalt thee! I bow down to thee!
  • Ajali Paul Ugonna
    I need a deep explanation of matt CH 14:19-20
  • Sonti
    Please help me, I read bible mostly when I am sad and most cases I dont know which chapter should I open and will just open any chapter BUT, Here is the problem, I will read but at the end I will not undersand and unable to interpret, WHAT CAN I DO TO READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDRSTADING.

  • David
    Sonti, you should abide in God's word on a daily basis not only in bad circumstances. Jesus said if you continue in his word then you will know the truth and the truth will make you free. Like Benji said you should ask God for understanding as you read and he will reveal to you answers in due time. However, contrary to what a few others have shared you need to be baptized to be saved. It is for the remission of your sins. Jesus said, "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God," and he also said, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." One more thing, make sure you're baptized in Jesus' name and not the titles Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
  • Benji
    Hello Sonti, I know the feeling. There are some things in scripture that are harder to understand than others. But I think James 1:5 has the answer you're looking for

    "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." James 1:5 KJV

    Also no you DON't have to be baptized. Particularly in regards to Salvation. Salvation is simply believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and his finished work. No works, no religious ceremonies no nothing.

    Which I would say in case you haven't gotten saved yet that that should be first before you ask for wisdom. Alrighty, take care.
  • David
    Hi Benji. I am giving you this message not to cause contention but as a message of love because you have erred. Baptism in the name of Jesus is essential for salvation because it is for the remission of sins. Jesus said that unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God and he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. I pray that you receive this message of love. Amen.
  • Benji
    David, Baptism is not a requirement to be saved, the only requirement to be saved is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ alone for Salvation, remember Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast. Baptism (Water) is a work. We put our Faith in Jesus alone(As instructed), not Jesus + Our Baptism. It's even clear that a man can be saved without being Baptized (Water). remember the thief on the cross who was never baptized but Jesus said " To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." I'm am not against Baptism by no means. But I'm convinced Faith alone in Jesus is enough to be saved.
  • David
    Benji, the letter to the Ephesians was written to the church in Ephesus. Acts 19 talks of how that church came to be and in verse 5 they were baptized. They were saved by grace through the faith they had by believing and obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ. Also, the Gospel according to Mark and the story of the thief on the cross took place during the time of the Old Testament when all the Jews simply had to believe in their Messiah to be saved. Remember the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, "Except a man be born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom Of God," and, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Peace be unto you in Jesus' name.
  • Benji
    Let's talk about the verses quoted. First, Born of Water does not mean Water Baptism. "Water" is the flesh birth from your Mom, How do we know? Jesus says in the next verse: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of Spirit is Spirit". We are born sinners(1st birth) then we are born again(2nd Birth). Next Question: How do I get born again 1 John 5: Whosoever BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. You aren't born again when you're Baptized. Also, read the rest of Mark 16:16: but he that BELIEVETH not shall be damned. So are people damned because they didn't get baptized? No. It is clear that the only reason someone is damned because they did not believe.
  • David
    Neighbor, I'll answer your questions but after that we must cease this communication because God commands me to. First with all due respect being born of water does not mean our fleshly birth that's not in the bible and that phrase has never referred to our fleshly birth. We also cannot do anything to make ourselves born again just like there was nothing we can do to be born naturally. We are born not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible and that incorruptible seed is the word of God. Lastly, people are damned if they are not baptized because they have not believed in the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord will take vengeance on those that obey not the gospel. I will pray for you Benji.
  • Benji
    (This continues my last comment)Also you're right. People are damned for not believing the Gospel. But you have a different Gospel. The Gospel does not include Baptism. In fact despite tons of scriptures explaining Salvation is not of works and even in Gods definition of the Gospel 1 Corinth. 15:1-4 not including Baptism. We also have an example of someone saved without Baptism. Remember the thief? "But wait he was saved in the Old covenant"...not quite. Luke was not the last we heard of the thief. Look in John 19:31-33 It shows clearly that the thief was alive AFTER Christ Death and therefore not only was he saved without Baptism but it was also in the new covenant
  • Benji
    David, "Water" is referring to flesh birth, Read John:3:6 with John 3:5. Jesus just explained the 2 births to Nic. One flesh, one Spiritual. And Of course, the flesh isn't what makes us born again. Jesus was not presenting these 2 births as joined means of Salvation. He hadn't explained how to be born again yet. He's just explaining what the 2 births are. Which obviously the first is natural birth because if I'm being born again by the spirit evidently I must've had a first birth. Was my first birth by the Spirit? No last time I was born was in the flesh. The Womb. (And it's not far off to say by water because when a baby is about to be born what normally happens? The Water breaks.) cont....
  • David
    Benji, I am not here for a vain argument. If you study the scriptures as they are written you will find what I said is true. Remember that we must rightly divide the word of truth and study to show ourselves approved unto God.
  • James Kirby
    Just curious as to what happened to the thief on the cross did not get baptized or do you any good Thief is a thief only thing he did was believe in Jesus Christ and who was the son of God and Jesus told him today you will be with me in Paradise
  • Benji
    But that's the thing, Biblical Salvation is contrary to your interpretation: John 3:15-16 John 3:18 John 3:36 John 5:24 John 6:40 John 6:47 Acts16:31 and Acts10:43 are all verses that plainly explain how to be saved. There's no question, the Bible is clear that any who simply believe on Jesus has everlasting life. In fact, they clearly say we "receive the remission of sins" we "Shall not perish" we are "not condemned" and we "HAVE eternal life" all by believing on Jesus. Nowhere in any of these verses is Baptism mentioned as a requirement. Even in 1Corinth.15:3-4 the clearest definition of the Gospel doesn't even talk about Baptism. You have Gods word that you will be saved if you just believe.

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