Comment by alex on exodus 15 and 16 when ya think about the godhead the trinity always think about abraham issac, and jacob, thats y he told moses that his name was abraham issac and jacob,and my memorial to all generations,thus his kingdom is a type of the abrahamic trinity 3 distinct beings father son and granson,without this abrahamic type godhead there wd have neva been a nation of israel.thats what abraham means exaulted father, abraham offered up his only son isaac just as god the father offered up his only son jesus.that ram caught in the thicket by his horns was a type of christ and his crown of thorns.thus we see the godhead in abraham issac and jacob, father son and granson that will result in an israel of god a heavenly trinity thats y jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit impling a heavenly jacob the granson that is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven,isaiah 49 talks of a heavenly jacob which is the h.g. a spritual jacob which is the israel of god,remember it was jacobs name that was changed to israel and jacob was the granson in the abrahamic trinity. actually its god the father that wants a posterity and jesus was just the 1st born of many brethren.its god the father that wants to be multiplied as the stars of heaven,thats y he swore by his very self when he made that promise to abraham about multiplication thus the sower and his precious seed the word of god to whom th word came ( his seed ) it made them gods thus an israel of god in the last day.

Pastor inviting evangelist who lift up Calvinist in pulpit preaching a damnable doctrine

Dwight - by calling someone a Calvinist with a damnable doctrine I am guessing you are referring to the doctrine of election. I have read very little of Calvin and do not follow him as I follow Jesus. However I ask you this question.

Why is it when people refer to the great majority of unbelieving Christ denying Jews they are called the chosen people or the elect?

When speaking about Christians believing they are the elect of God or the chosen people all of a sudden it becomes a heresy? Why is that?

How can unbelieving Jews be the chosen people, the elect, be perfectly acceptable doctrine?

Did the apostles pick Jesus or did Jesus pick the apostles?

John 15:16, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you..."

1 Peter 2:9, "But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

2 Peter 1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" Yes I know the Bible also says whosoever will.

1 Thessalonians 1:4, "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God."

Calvinism teaches that a great number of human beings created with no chance of being saved-this is not the Christianity of the KJV Bible. And by the way, was Jonathan Edwards and Charles Spurgeon calvinist? and was it truly calvinist that should be given credit for THE GREAT AWAKENING? The internet makes them out to be calvinist-but Rome has men who post slander to even good men who have passed away and cannot defend themselves.

Greetings Dwight - I see your point. If indeed Calvin did teach that some men could not be saved. I do not really know what Calvin taught. I know he was involved with the Geneva Bible.

What does the Bible say about certain people and their salvation? Let us turn to the scriptures.

Malachi Chapter 1: 1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

3 And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Esau rejected the things of God, this is a long study, and as such God rejected him. Can you imagine God said he hated Esau?

Hebrews Chapter 12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as ESAU, who for one morsel of meat SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, HE WAS REJECTED: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. ESAU WAS REJECTED OF THE LORD.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. (there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau)

Esau married two Hittite women who were of the Canaanite tribes which the Lord had forbidden Israel to do.

Seems harsh, but there it is. Esau rejected the things and blessings of the Lord, looks like the Lord had "returned" the favor. The Herod family were of Esau per Jewish historian Josephus, you know the king who killed all the children in Bethlehem.

Me and my wife were having a conversation concerning this verse and she said to me that she would fellowship with another sister in Christ because she has backslidden and because of the life style she has indulged in. I told my wife that this scripture is talking about those who are saved and living a life in Christ Jesus. We are the ones that are to abstain from every kind of evil, But those who are living a sinful life, We are to be a witness for Christ and lead those who are lost and those who have back slided back to Christ or introduce them to Christ and present them the Gift of salvation which Christ had died for. We are not to indulge ourselves in their life style but to lead them to Christ. So as i said this verse is a verse that was written to remind us who are saved that we are to have the character of Christ and to be a shining example to them who don 't know Him or to them that have strayed away from the truth of the love that Christ has for everyone who believes upon Christ holy and Matchless name