1 Samuel Chapter 1 Discussion



 
  • Paul D Laurent on 1 Samuel 1
    what dose sancticationed mean
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Paul,

    The word sanctification means set apart. It comes from the Greek word HAGIOS. The words sanctify, sanctification, Holy, and Saint all come from the same word, HAGIOS.

    A saint is someone who has been set apart, sanctified (HAGIOS) for God's purposes. The term Holy Spirit describes what kind of Spirit He is. He is a Spirit that has been set apart from all other spirits.
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    If you want the truth in Scripture, Paul, don't waste your time looking up the Greek and Hebrew words for the meaning of Bible verses and the definition of English words. The KJV translators were superior scholars and were fluent in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. God promised that He would preserve His written word, and He used those 47 KJV translators to do just that. When you read or study Scripture, use a search engine and pull up Webster's 1828 dictionary to look up the definition of a word used in the KJV. Consulting Greek and Hebrew words only leads to conflict and confusion, and God is not the author of confusion. People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English. The KJV translators already did that job more accurately than any of the wannabe translators ever could. Wisdom is justified of all her children Luke 7:35. Peace.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane What is the definition of Wisdom?
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Wisdom is the truth, knowledge, and fear of God found only in the written word of God.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane This is an example of different meaning from concordance A .understanding B. to make wise C skill D reason or discretion E Heart F Craftiness subtilty G to become intelligent H meaning these all apply to different context and your telling me what difference does it make. We understand each other God bless
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane I won't deny that the kjv translators did a decent job in translation, that being said to make the statement that the knowledge of the original languages is nonsense is a little over the top considering the bible was originally written in greek hebrew and aramaic. Just looking at a concordance for greater understanding in the mind of what was meant helps me understand a lot of principles better. An example of research work is YESTERDAY WAS THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST SEPT 11th 3bc. Now some one can go outrageous I don't believe that get out of here, or look into it yourself with scripture and astronomy remember the star! which is the true science of the solar system then make up your own mind. But to sit back and say that can't be so isn't honest, biblically were supposed 1 Thessalonians 5 :21 Prove all things hold fast to that which is true. The Word of God is true so we prove or try all things against Gods word. In his Service
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Why don't you do some research into the KJV translators? If you're fair minded, and your research is thorough, you'll walk back the statement, "the kjv translators did a decent job in translation." God used those 47 men to preserve His written word. Superlatives can't really describe the job that those men did. Preservation and inspiration are inextricably linked. Without preservation the Bible is little more than pseudepigrapha, apocrypha, or other sacred writings. "The writing of the Word of God by inspiration is no greater miracle than the miracle of its preservation." Jasper James Ray
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Read my response/s to Jesse when they appear on this thread. Direct your questions or comments to that response/s first. Thank you.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane I read your response very educational, which tells me that men like E.W. bullinger wasted their time and all the translators of the king james bible wasted there time when they added punctuation chapters and verses to the original text also the bible is an eastern book so knowing customs and language doesn't help in understanding a statement like a camel going through the eye of a needle, or what is a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes mean in the east. So if none of that helps someone understand scripture better we understand each other. In His Service
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane Isn't freedom of will and the privilege to believe what you want great, and not to judge.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane,

    You say that "People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English." That is not true. There are many Greek and Hebrew scholars today who possess that knowledge.



    How does consulting in the Greek and Hebrew lead to confusion? I have learned to read Greek, not just look up words, but I actually read Greek the same as I would pick up an English bible and read from it. It causes me no confusion. In fact, I find that it helps me tremendously in my understanding of what the English text is saying. For me, reading from the Textus Receptus is far greater than using search engines and dictionaries to get understanding. I find that most of the time I use a search engine to look up a verse, there are several pages that come up, and they don't all agree with each other. I would say that causes confusion!



    If using search engines and a dictionary helps you understand scripture, then that's great for you. But others should have a right to learn the original languages if they so choose. The Greek has helped me. It is an exact language, unlike English and Hebrew, which are very general languages. When you have a very general language such as English, that's where the confusion comes in, and that's why we cannot agree with what the English text is saying, because English words can have multiple meanings. But not so with the Greek! It is an exact language, and I think the Lord knew what He was doing when He chose that language for the doctrinal section of the New Testament.

    Personally, I think that that if it was required for every person going into the ministry to master the original languages, we wouldn't have so many denominational churches. So many churches are split today because they cannot agree with what the English bible is saying, and many of them do use the KJV. Go figure!
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    (cont) in the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible. Agape is a higher form of unconditional, Godly love and philia is a lesser form used for friendship or brotherly love. The ignorant criticize the KJV translators for translating "agape" simply as love. The truth is the Greek words agapao/agape and phileo/philia overlap in the manuscripts, and there's no discernible difference between the two in the Scripture. For example, 2 Samuel 13:15 says, "Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone." The problem is that both agapao and the cognate agape can refer to Amnon's incestuous rape of his half sister Tamar. Also, backslidden Demas who loves the world with agape love. "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;" 2 Timothy 4:10. There's John 3:35 that says, "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand,"; later John 5:20 says, "For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth." The Father's love for the Son, which is without question the greatest love, is described as "agape love" in one instance and "phileo love" in the other, and by the same author, John. Houston, we have a problem. The point is there isn't a way to know what kind of love each of these Greek words is referring to in Scripture. Context is key. Bottom line, the Bible's been translated into English, and the 47 translators of the King James Bible did an inerrant, infallible job. You and today's scholars and translators, not so much. Knowing Greek is fine for reading and understanding Greek myths and literature, but not for reading and understanding Scripture, which is God's written word. One thing more, I don't care that you consult the Greek to study your Bible, but I do care when you imply or suggest that it's better to defer to the Greek to know the truth of Scripture.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMKane I'm reading you contest your own argument interesting.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    IMkane The love you gave as an example in 2 Samuel in regards to Amnon and tamar was human love which uncontrolled can go into lust which has nothing to do with agape or agapeo which is the Love of God. First usage is in the Gospels then you have phileo which means to be a friend, so if you want to twist this to suit your idea enjoy. Loving some one in the mind and human heart is human love i.e. phileo, friend, marriage. Loving with the love of God Agapeo is spiritual cannot be done unless born again. In His Service
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    You either didn't read what I wrote, or you need to work on comprehending what you read.
  • Brother dan - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Whenever I feel like I know more than others, I will meditate on this verse:

    Romans 1:22

    "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

    God Bless.
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    When Christians with renewed minds study the Scripture and rightly divide it, they will learn things. And the more things they learn, the more they know. The problem I've encountered with most self-identified Christians on this site is they may read the Scripture, but they do not study it, and the few who do study it, don't rightly divide it. The Scripture is for reproof and correction in righteousness. As I see it, the self-identified Christian commenters on this site reject reproof and refuse correction. Scripture says a wise man accepts correction and is grateful when he receives it because he cares about truth. Maybe the reason you think that you don't know more than others is that you really don't know more than others. You know a fool can appear wise if he keeps his mouth shut. The problem for fools is they don't know that, so they open their mouths and remove all doubt. I began commenting on this site because I am compelled to share the truths that the Lord Jesus Christ has taught in the Scripture over the past 50 years. Although these truths are for everybody, they are not to everybody. They are to God's elect. "For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:14 KJV
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    A true witness of the grace of the Lord Jesus, will speak from their heart. It is what comes out of a man that defiles him. Not unlike a great scientist, his proof, is in his studies and experiments. If we strive to read and understand the eternal word of God, we will be blessed! The experiment comes when we become a witness of those things of God. When the soul the spirit has led you too, will be ready to hear what the spirit has to say! Not our will be done, but His! Even after our confrontation and proclamation, that soul may be saved along with others .

    The things of God are past finding out! Even so ,we should try and know Him as He is! Growing in the Lord is a constant place for a true Christian. A Place that is the narrow way, once in that way, you may be surprised how He fast tracks those who love Him! This is the place Paul speaks of when He says now leaving the doctrines of Christ. "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God," Little places like these are the steps that are in the way. Watch and pray. Our redemption draws nigh! Repent and be baptized in the name of the Father ,the Son, the Holy spirit!
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    If you intended to write something spiritually enlightening and edifying, let me assure you that you didn't. When I need a guru, I'll join an ashram. Although you have a different gospel from the apostle Paul, you are right that our redemption draws nigh. If you ever do rightly divide the word of truth, you will come to understand that repentance and baptism were Kingdom Gospel requirements for the Jews, and that they are not requirements for Gentiles whose salvation is by grace through faith, plus NOTHING else. The problem that's pervasive among self-identified Christians is that most of them won't study God's written word, and of the few who actually do, they fail to rightly divide it.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    I find what you said offensive and demeaning. You should memorize The Fruits of the Holy Spirit; brotherly love and Christian kindness.

    Guess where I learned that? From this comment Room! Esteem others, better than yourself.
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    I have love and kindness for Christians, but for deceivers and charlatans or false accusers of the brethren, not so much. I understand that you're offended by the truth because the truth is often offensive to those who are offended by the truth. You wrote, "Esteem others, better than yourself." I'll be happy to comply with that when you explain to me how Jesus had esteemed the Pharisees and Scribes better than Himself when he called them hypocrites, serpents, and children of the Devil. While you're at it, please explain how Paul had esteemed Hymenaeus and Alexander better than himself when he handed them over to Satan so that they may learn not to blaspheme.
  • Tim - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    The strange doctrines we hear from others is nothing more than 'tripe of grandeur' that's been handed down from other reprobates. Still, I'm amused to death.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Your question should be directed at Jesus. He's the Word. Every Disciple was different; but the message was the Samein spirit.

    The same applies to all of Jesus's believers; and those in this room every day.

    Romans 13: 8-11
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Hi MIshael Some people play loud instruments but aren't heard because its not in symphony with the rest of the orchestra.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    You're right. In the company choir, they always put me between tenors, and alto's; because I sing harmony. I call myself the frog lol. It works, but I don't understand it. I just love Christmas songs.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    Brother Mishael, Amen!!!
  • Fred - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    King David said the Lord was forever on his right hand! I hope He is forever on yours! If He is not , how could you be a king? Is this not what you are determined to be . A king? There are many who come and go . Hopefully when you leave, you will have learned something! We walk by faith, not by sight!
  • IMKane - in Reply on 1 Samuel 1
    The promises to the body of Christ are heavenly, the promises to the bride of Christ, i.e., lost sheep of the house of Israel are earthly. To be a nation of kings and priests is promised is to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. You're right that we walk by faith and not by sight.


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