1 Peter Chapter 4 Discussion


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  • BSP on 1 Peter 4
    Verse 15-We don't want to be a busybody. If it is not our responsibility to oversee another person's business then we do well to mind our own business.
  • Judy may on 1 Peter 4:12
    dear friends

    why is it with man they refuse to a let women to take part in ministry if God has called me what

    am i to do in a God's way .

    thanks

    Judy may

    9-10-2020
  • D.J. - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Judy May,

    Try to be not discouraged by people looking to keep you down.

    Go forward boldly with the Lord Jesus Christ as your covering.

    May God bless you in doing what God has called you to do.

    He will show you the way.
  • September 26 NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Prayer. Nobody really wants to do that. However, our Lord Jesus sits at the right hand of God: every day, every night, 24/7 and intercedes for Christians around the globe.

    There's a prayer request room on this website, that is full of people waiting for someone to agree with them on touching their needs.

    Check the "thread" button to see if they've been prayed for YET.

    Prayerlessness of the Church of Jesus has gotten us, all of this trouble we're going through.

    SEPTEMBER 26 has been set aside as a NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.

    Google your community to see if and where people may be meeting.

    If you're old or disabled, we still need to be a part of that.

    Mishael
  • D.J. - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Judy May

    Do what God has called you to do.

    Do not worry about what man thinks.

    Follow God's example.

    Judges 4:4

    And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

    Joel 2:28

    And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    Acts 2:17

    And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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    Acts 21:8-9

    And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

    And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
  • Vincent Calvert - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    What is it God has called you to do?

    The Bible expressly says women shall not have authority of man in areas of teaching doctrine and spiritual matters (1 Timothy 2:12).

    1 Timothy 3 speaks of the leadership within the church and how only men shall hold those portions of authority. Bishop (Pastor) is to be a husband of one woman. It does not say the bishop shall be the wife of one man etc. Look at all those masculine pronouns.

    The serpent beguiled Eve: 2 Corinthians 11:3, then Eve technically lead Adam to sin, even though he should have known better (Genesis 3:6).

    As you can see in the marriage hierarchy, it goes: God, husband, then woman (Ephesians 5:24,25).

    Man has authority but is not to be a dictator. He is to protect his family and church both spiritually and physically. Any man that does not take into consideration anything a woman says simply because she is a woman, is unscriptural. But there is a biblical time and place for woman to serve. Female pastors are unbiblical. Female teachers (of doctrine etc) is unscriptural if teaching men. A woman is to be taken seriously and to be treated lovingly, but she cannot do everything man does.

    Women have and do play a major role in christian faith in many areas including teaching young women and children (Titus 2:4).

    As the above comments show, women can prophesy, which mean they can proclaim Biblical truth. With all things, it must be done according to the Bible.

    Do not listen to anybody who says "do not worry about what man thinks." This is not a Biblical mindset as the man is to provide sound, biblical guidance. This does not mean a woman can only get info from men (as earlier in my post).

    Also, (brief history lesson) all pagan religions worship a female goddess. Could this also be the reason why God chose man to be the leader of church, family, school etc.?

    The Bible was written by a holy an perfect God. THE God of the universe and beyond. What is written in there is truth and should be taken seriously
  • Mixster - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    God chose Deborah to be a Judge. What are you going to comment, on that?

    Did God make a mistake?
  • Stanjett - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    God makes no mistakes.
  • Vincent Calvert - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    No need to get snarky there.

    Hold onto your seat Mixster...aand away we goo...

    Deborah was a Jew. I am speaking expressly on Christian matters.

    It is an easy distinction for the serious Bible student. Thank you for your question.

    "What are you going to comment, on that?..?
  • D.J. - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Vincent Calvert,

    Do you know what God has in store for Judy May?

    Are you telling Judy May to keep silent concerning the word of God and not offer help or understanding to those that are confused or have never heard?

    Are you really that confident in your understanding of the word of God to be the judge of Judy?

    Why would it matter that Deborah was a Jew?

    Does a prophet not teach?

    Therefore, does a prophetess not have the same ability to teach?

    If a woman does not have a husband and lives alone, who is the head of her household?

    If you are only speaking "expressly of Christian matters," then what do you do with Acts 2:17 or Acts 21:8-9?

    How do you explain Luke 2:36 or 1 Corinthians 11:5?

    Do "sons AND daughters" not prophesy in the end times?
  • Vincent - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Judy May, we don't know exactly what ministry you are referring to. Can you specify?

    As for the rest of these comments, I will take each of D.J.'s answers in stride as I can see this person is upset and making this comment thread a spectacle. Though I do believe my first comment should suffice, (especially if the references were checked) perhaps some of the words I used need to be defined for a better understanding. Reading Paul's letters to Timothy, Titus, the Corinthians, and Ephesians; Peter's epistle, and Proverbs and you will get a good idea of the New Testament church's views on female leadership.

    D.J. do you know what God has in store for Judy May? No, as she has yet to give any information concerning the specific ministry. Hence the reason why I am offering the basic information to make a decision. Ministry= service or aid. Is not specific to one particular "job."

    Am I confident in the understanding God has given of the word? Yes. Am I judging Judy May? No. Jude= distinguish truth from falsehood.

    Nothing I said was a judgment, as you can clearly see.



    Deborah, who was set in her office (Judge) because "all the men did what was right in their own eyes" was put in that position because no other man in the land was capable. Furthermore, Jews and Christians are dealt with differently. This concept, for lack of space, can be summed up with, God's methods of dealing with His people change in the dispensations. More on that another time.

    Today prophesy= to speak. Yes one who prophesies can teach. As said before the Bible has restrictions on whom a woman may have dominion over when teaching: doctrine, 1 Tim. 2:12; authority in church, Titus 1:5-9; 1 Tim 3:1-7. It is a shame for woman to be a PREACHER in church, 1 Cor 14:35. A "prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept.

    Your cherry picked verses:

    Acts 2:17, end time prophecy. Acts 21:8-9, good for them. Luke 2:36, read the verse and above sentence. 1 Cor 11:5 read the epistles and you'll understand.
  • D.J. - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Vincent Calvert,

    Why would it matter to you what ministry Judy May is affiliated with?

    Judy never asked if she could be a "leader" of a church, or if she could "teach". Judy asked if she had a right to "take part in ministry."

    You say that the definition of "ministry" is "service or aid... not to one particular job."

    So, according to your definition of "ministry," what is your problem with Judy?

    Maybe you should check through her first comment, as those words "should suffice."

    You say "One who prophesies can teach."

    Well said.

    Not to cherry pick, but what are you to do with Phillip's 4 daughters that were prophetesses. Could they not teach?

    You say "a prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept."

    Again, what about Phillip's 4 daughters. That is not Old Testament. They were prophesying after Christ died?



    Your amazing words and comments should have been "sufficient" to correct my understanding, so sorry if I have not been persuaded that Judy should "be silent" concerning teaching the Word of God.

    You do not have to be a "leader" to be a "teacher."

    I am not "angry," nor am I looking to make a "spectacle" of this thread.

    I apologize if my comments and questions made you feel uncomfortable.

    I was just trying to defend the right of Judy (and half of the world's population) through the word of God, to be able to teach (not be a bishop or deacon) other people about the word of God.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    If you will check the entire thread, you will see I did not make any comment about you, or Judy May.
  • Vincent - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    Good job D.J.

    I applaud your efforts towards defense on a topic you apppear to be very passionate about. Perhaps next time you could leave your virtue signaling on F.B. and allow the poor woman who askes a simple question here to not regret it. If emotion equated to fact, you would definitely win. But I did not know we were competing.

    Next time you want to punk somebody out on a biblical matter, feel free to to do so by using fact and less emotion. You clearly have no interest in learning, just bullying. If I said something wrong (perhaps misunderstood) I am willing to learn, but as far as I can see this comment section has been exhausted only by your vacuous rants on the pretext of social justice.

    Forgive us Judy may.
  • Jacquella M Walker on 1 Peter 4:15
    What do you call a person who always meddling in people
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:15
    If not saved: a hindering, harassing, unclean spirit. Ephesians 6

    Go on YouTube and watch some spiritual warfare videos on how to recognize it;

    How to make the spirits leave.

    We don't want to see devils everywhere: we just need to bind them and cast them out. Unsaved people don't know they are wide open to be afflicted spiritually. Pray in your car privately. The realm of the spiritual is open to only the spiritual.
  • Grace - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:15
    A busybody, Jacquella, or a fool if the person deliberately insults or starts an argument : )
  • Rev Tim George on 1 Peter 4
    Christians will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to be judged for our works, not our sins. Christ died for our sins on the Cross and we are completely forgiven. We will answer for the works done in the body after our conversion to Christ good or bad. They will consist of gold, silver and precious stones. The fire will consume hay, wood, and stubble. So if our works remain we will receive a reward.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Peter 4
    Tim, I believe you're correct in your understanding. The fact that believers will partake at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:8-9) & also stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ is proof enough that their sins were fully dealt with while on Earth & they have been 'accepted in the beloved', being found spotless & holy to stand before His Presence.

    Yet, it is incumbent on every believer to confess & turn away from every known sin while on Earth, not with lip service, but from a heart constrained by the Spirit & from one who longs to please his Lord in every area of his life. There are many 'Christians' going into confessionals as a routine or believing that God overlooks their continual sin by virtue of Christ's death, who sadly are impostors & are ignorant of the Truth & do despite to Christ's sacrifice.

    The question is: what are the 'works' that are judged when we stand before Him in eternity? What have we built upon that foundation of Christ? Will it only be the works of visible ministry & the preaching of the Gospel amongst the unreached, or will it also include the unseen labours that have blessed humanity with Christ's Love or even shaken Heaven's Gates with their fervent prayers? But for those whose works will be burned, whose lives have produced nothing of worth, they will still be saved "yet so as by fire".
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Peter 4
    Dear Tim,

    2 Corinthians 5:10 seems to say we will be judged for our sins.

    And 1 John 1:6-10 says Christians sin, but we need to confess them and if we claim we don't sin then we accuse Jesus of being a liar and the word isn't in us.

    So, because of these scriptures I believe we will be judged for our sins. We need to try hard to avoid sin. There's currently some fake news spreading around claiming that it's ok for Christians to sin and be of the world, but that info doesn't come from God. Matthew 10:28, Matthew 5:48, Hebrews 10:26.

    God bless...
  • Bob Grove - in Reply on 1 Peter 4
    Romans 3:25

    Says Christ died for sins Past

    So we avoid sins future by living in obedience and confession of sins if needed .

    Otherwise we could be living a life of sanctioned sin and that will never be approved of God .

    We can also help those in error and cover a multitude of sins by loving them and helping them rather than judging them alone . Not easily done . People can go into apostasy , by ignoring obedience and continuing in sin .

    The mark of a Christian is obedience, but false teaching can cause some to go astray into sin .
  • Darrin on 1 Peter 4:12
    Amen. God is good!
  • Rui on 1 Peter 4:17
    Judgement will start at God house. Will christians be judged based upon sins or labour? If upon sins our sins are forgiven and forgotten as the East is far from the West and I will remember them no more. So which judgement is that?

    Thanks

    Rui
  • Rajesh - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:17
    I believe this is in context of Christians being chastised for the wrong doings and it shall be in our bodies upon the earth. Please consider Icor 11:30. This portion is closely related in the context of Pro11:31
  • Teri on 1 Peter 4
    since Jesus suffered for our sins, we should try no tot sin either, but live our best for God. sometimes we have to disappoint others when we can't do the things they want us to...but we must instead follow Jesus and try to do His will.
  • Tony Ursery - in Reply on 1 Peter 4
    Man can't live by bread alone,but by every Word proceeds out of God mouth.
  • Sunrise on 1 Peter 4
    To die mean to sieze from all pleasurable desire, and to suffer mean to endure excruciating pain even when u go through such not because it is by evil u do but for sake of one u love with all your heart and ready to lay all for such a one as christ did for us.
  • Ivy Johnson on 1 Peter 4
    Peter: intimate acquaintance: with Jesus: indicated in his Epistles: deeply affected: message of the Master: speaks of Christ and His sufferings: no question concerning Peter’s Authorship: Epistles: Imminence: return of Christ:Christians are to be sober: and watch with Prayer: Above all, fervent Love: express to others: Christ Suffered: Christians will also:
    Glory be Revealed: Exceeding Joy:Amen
  • Pickqueena burrell on 1 Peter 4
    it teaches of what Christ had to go through .. he had to suffer it also teaches us to have charity which is love and we should treat one another with hospitality an that we also have to endure hardship and having things say about us but we should rejoice once it is deemed falsely cause Christ himself was accused but he had to fulfil purpose so take courage.
  • BSP on 1 Peter 4
    Verse 1~Jesus not only died for us but he was willing to suffer in the flesh. As fleshly humans we must examine whether we are willing to imitate Christ and suffer if needed to honor Jehovah God and support his sovereignty.


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