1 John Chapter 5 Discussion Page 3



 
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    Easter is the pagan festival known as Ishtar, in homage to the fertility goddess Ishtar. The bunny & eggs represent fertility. None of these things have anything to do with Christianity or the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    Dolly, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom And HIS understanding.

    Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came.....

    Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, it is not meet (fit) to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs.

    The Canaanites were gentiles and the children were Jews. Jesus is saying that the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU) was to be offered to the Jews first. The DOGS make reference to the gentiles. Now the Jews rejected the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU) and (vs 27) was a prophecy out of her mouth that ultimately the gentiles would be give the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).

    Matthew 15:27 But she said, Truth, Lord, yet the dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their MASTERS

    table.

    Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs.....

    Now this verse is saying that dogs (gentiles; who ARE NOT of the kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU) will compass about the Holy City. This Holy City is made up of the (kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU) saints, living now in physical bodies; but upon the death of their physical bodies they will be given glorified bodies. We are compassed about with NON-BELIEVERS. (DOGS)

    1 John 3:2 Behold now are we the Sons of God, and it doeth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
  • Jason de vries on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    Why can't a woman preach and give me strong verses that day they can't.

    Can I marry a lady that is divorced from her husband
  • Dolly Anderson on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    "When the Bible refers to dogs as in Revelation 22, is it referring to them literally - saying they won't be in heaven?
  • Colleen Turaga on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    What does the ''Egg'' and ''Bunny" signify for Easter?
  • William Dando - In Reply on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    Damien, if you are lost it is because you have fallen into satan's trap question. Hath God said? God's words have been preserved for us. He did this for us in the English language at the appointed time in this dispensation through the KJB. Other translations later using the wisdom of men and copyrighted for money create doubt about what God said and are the work of Satan. Believe God first and he will give you understanding.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    LC,

    "did Jesus become God at ascension, baptism, incarnation or before the foundations of the world?"

    The answer is, NONE of your options are correct.

    Jesus never "became" God.

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."Joh 1:1-2

    "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."Joh 1:14

    The Word was with God and The Word was God. And The Word was made flesh (Jesus)"

    Jesus was God from eternity past, existing in Loving relationship with The Father and The Spirit as The Son, in One Divine Being that Christians refer to as The Trinity.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    LC,

    "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Mat 12:31-32

    Jesus said this to religious leaders who SAW and HEARD Him. They SAW the Works of The Holy Spirit at Jesus' hands, yet rejected Him thus blaspheming The Holy Spirit. Unforgivable!
  • Carleton - In Reply on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    Dear Lissous, I hope and pray that are at peace and rest in Jesus Christ whom was part of "us" in Genesis 1. A true Christian should know this peace and rest and have grace to live in this peace and rest while time remains.

    :)
  • Lissous Christos - In Reply on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    All were in denial of what? I have been pondering exactly what you mentioned. What was I before my rebirth? I was already dead spiritually but I died with Christ.

    So consider the question did Jesus become God at ascension, baptism, incarnation or before the foundations of the world?

    And I? When was my spiritual death? Was it in the garden with my mother Eve? Was it when my father Adam ate it? Or when jesus was on the cross at his desension into Hell? Or was it at my conversion? Or is it daily?

    As you can see from my name my theology is already decided on who I am in Christ. I do all thongs through Christ that strengthens me. It is not I who live but Christ in me.
  • Carleton - In Reply on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    Hello, Consider the moment before you or anyone had their sins forgiven by faith and repentance in Jesus Christ. Ahead of that moment, all were in denial.

    :)
  • Lissous Christos on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    The unforgiveable sin is to deny that Jesus came in human body and that his spirit is still in this world. He wasn't worried about his body and those that were to kill it as he was a willing sacrifice. But beyond that, after he rose, after he sent his spirit. After he came back. To deny he is the Christ of the world that he is the son of the Father, that he and the Father are one, and then to deny his followers who have been born of God. Especially to deny Christ living inside the flesh of us. All of this is the unforgiveable sin.
  • Scotty - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    The unity of the Father and the Son, is much like the unity of husband and wife. That is the best way we can understand it. The Bible clearly speaks of: God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. But emphasizes that there is only ONE God.

    If we were to use math, it would not be, 1+1+1=3. It would be 1x1x1=1. God is a triune God.

    Thus the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity.

    Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration would be the sun. From it we receive light, heat and radiation. Three distinct aspects, but only one sun.

    No illustration is going to be perfect.

    But from the very beginning we see God as a Trinity. In the book of Genesis, the first book in the Bible, God says, "Let us make man in our imagemale and female he created them."1 You see here a mixture of plural and singular pronouns.

    When Moses asked God for his name, God replied, "I am" - eternally existing.

    Jesus used the same phrase numerous times.

    "I am the light of the world..."

    "I am the bread of life..."

    "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Abraham is someone mentioned in Genesis, thousands of years before Jesus came to earth. Yet, Jesus said of himself, "Before Abraham was born, I am." The Jews understood fully what Jesus was saying because they picked up stones to kill him for "blasphemy" - claiming to be God. 2 Jesus has always existed.
  • Steve Anderson - In Reply on 1 John 5:5 - 3 years ago
    Christianity as a whole .. or should i say Religion as a whole is polluted....With the imaginations of men. or should i say the doctrins of men... from the time of the early church until today men have chosen to Hold the truth in unrighteousness' for 1260 years the scripture was chained to the pulpit of the Catholic church... then Martin Luther realized the vanity of there motives and wrote his thesis and nailed them to the door of a pagan religion. But im getting to far ahead .. After 70 AD the true church began to adopt many different ideas and surmising's (YOU CAN TAKE THE PEOPLE OUT OF EGYPT ) But its very hard to get Egypt out of the people. Martin Luther realized that the just shall live by faith , and that faith was not in the church but in the son of God Jesus....This was and still is unacceptable to the powers of Organized Religion Preaching the Resurrection is truth but very wrong in the eyes of them that choose to maintain there Power and Position .

    Read Foxs Book of Martyrs ,,, one day that book will be banned , for it Exposs the spirit of Paganism .

    Every Denomination that has held to or has adopted the same doctrines as there mother is of the same spirit

    Carnality will never manifest the true Nature of God or his son... in fact it will do everything it can to destroy it .
  • Princess - In Reply on 1 John 5:7 - 3 years ago
    Enough said.......powerful!!! thank you, thank you, thank you.........
  • N.D. on 1 John 5:5 - 3 years ago
    It is only by accepting the true doctrine of Jesus christ that one can receive eternal life.

    As faith without works is dead not only should we say with our mouth that Jesus is lord but we must do the will of God as Jesus did the will of his father who sent him...put our faith into action bearing light/witness of our persuation so others be pursuaded.... 2Timothy 2:6 the husband man that lanoureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 John 5:5 - 3 years ago
    Good clear scriptural response. The scripture speaks for itself and is crystal clear in so many places and on so many subjects.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 John 5:5 - 3 years ago
    "you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

    Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.
  • Gerry Lindsay on 1 John 5:5 - 3 years ago
    I noticed that this scripture posted here in I John5;7 is wrong. In the King James version it should say 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. This means that these three are one, not agree in one. You could say there is nothing wrong because all three manifestations agree which may be true but this isn't the message this scripture is trying to convey. This scripture has nothing to do with whether the three agree. It is showing us that all three manifestations are of one God, meaning should you get to heaven one day you won't see God with his son standing next to him and perhaps a dove upon the throne sitting there. If we believe we can change scriptures to support our own Trinitarian beliefs by editing holy scriptures we are very extreme danger of not being able to enter heaven.

    Revelation 22:18-19

    I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
  • Linda Oswald - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Chris. It's always better to let the scriptures explain the scriptures. I appreciate the reference to I John 2:22-23.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    You can get different interpretations of this verse, as also seen in verse 8 of 1 John chapter 5. I've heard it as being associated with Jesus' baptism in 'water' & the culmination of earthly Work by the shedding of His 'Blood' at the Cross. And this may well be correct as I can see its inference.

    However, I rather see these verses, & being consistent with John's Gospel chapter 3:5: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", as applying to Jesus' physical Birth. Why I also think in this way, is because much of John's epistle is devoted to highlighting the Gnostic teaching entering the Church & for believers to stand on apostolic teaching, to not be swayed by these others, & be confident in their faith. One aspect of this Gnostic (Docetic) teaching was that "the incarnation (i.e. Jesus coming in the flesh, from God) was incredible (unbelievable), as deity cannot unite itself with anything material (such as a body of flesh)."

    So the Gnostics rejected the idea that God could make Himself appear in material human form (as many even reject this now) but said that Jesus was only a special Perfect Man & without the Divine in Him. So what 1 John 5:6 is saying, is that Jesus did come from God in human form (water & blood depicting the birth process & the human aspects) & God's Spirit witnesses to this fact. As there are three that bear witness in Heaven (verse 7), so to on Earth, three bear witness & agree together: the Spirit & Christ's full humanity (water & blood).

    In 1 John 2:22,23, John had to relate a similar warning to the Christians: that the one who denies the Divinity of Jesus (i.e. that He came from God & in the flesh, & has both the Divine & Human natures) has the anti-Christ spirit within him & has to be avoided. I hope this helps you - others may contribute their understanding on these verses also, as you can also get other opinions from different Bible commentators.
  • Linda Oswald on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    Can you explain the water and blood in verse 6? Is this a reference to the physical birth of Jesus the Christ?
  • Eva Rabon on 1 John 5:4 - 3 years ago
    I believe the unforgivable sin is not accepting jesus christ as the son of god and your lord and savilor.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    This has always been an intriguing portion of Scripture, as the Apostle does not give a lot of information for us to formulate a proper understanding. So in that respect, your pastors are correct, by giving you their different perceptions.

    So my thoughts are: did the Apostle have an OT Scripture in mind when he penned these words. I refer you to Deuteronomy 21:22, "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree...". My sense of this 1 John portion, is that John's focus is on PRAYER, rather than the sin. He begins this subject from 5:14, giving us confidence that God will hear & answer our prayers if we don't ask amiss but according to His Will.

    Then John goes on to give an example (v16) of a brother committing sin which does not lead to death. If the Deuteronomy passage is referred to, then we see a sin (crime) against both God's Laws & the Law of the Land. The Deuteronomy account shows a rebellious, gluttonous & drunkard son, who for his crime, was taken to the Elders & was subsequently put to death. And that 'sin' was worthy of the death sentence under God's Laws, & to John's readers, who were under Roman Law as well, were also subject to civil law.

    So, what if a brother then offends in that civil law, which might also affect God's Law, is the offence committed worthy of the death penalty? If not, then prayer may be offered on his behalf for God's forgiveness & for the brother's release from civil prison. But if the brother has sinned which is deserving of the death penalty, then the full force of God's Law & civil law stands. One cannot assume that this was a premeditated crime (can a true Christian even embark on such sins?); it could have been accidental/unintentional, yet determined as intentional, thus bringing on the legal requirement. As also for blasphemy & partaking of the Lord's Supper unworthily as sins - it is futile to pray for all such situations.
  • 1 searching on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    Verse 16 says not to pray for a sin that leads to death, I heard 2 different pastors say that this is when a christian keeps habitually sins and so God takes him/her out of this world to save their soul, such as the husband and wife who knowingly held back money after they sold property. So if the punishment for this sin is going to heaven, why should anyone fear it? Also is this another way to show that you cannot lose salvation once you are saved? Now I talked with a 3rd pastor who disagrees with that, he says John was speaking to Gnostic's who were living immoral lives with excuse that all flesh was evil and it led to spiritual death because it was unrepentant and continual sin and no one gets to heaven living like that. So 2 different explanations.
  • Rob on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    1 John v 9

    If we believe the witness of men , THE WITNESS Of GOD IS GREATER:

    For this is the witness of God which He hath testified of His Son .

    Verse 10 ,11,13

    His Son !!!!!!!! Not the Triune God .

    If you understand what the Son of God means then all your delusions will vanish .

    But you must except Gods witness of His Son or be forever deluded with errors .
  • Rob - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    You said what I suspected, long ago !

    I'm quite happy in the Lord even losing sleep because of his blessing !

    The word just comes alive like when Jesus spoke it to people!

    Awesome get some !
  • SPIN THEORIES - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    It's not a doctrine! It's in scripture all over the Bible. It's a fact that you refuse to perceive rightly.

    It means loss of rewards at the Bema Seat Judgment Of Christ Jesus, when All Christians works will pass through fire.

    If you have caused baby Christians to fall away from believing that every word on the Bible is rock solid, you may face loss of reward.

    We need to be aware this. Commenting is to shed Light...not darkness on Truth: who is a Person, Jesus. It is NOT about spinning a new way to see a foundational truth.

    For what reason would we spin controversy that may cause a baby lamb or sheep to fall away? Nothing can be added to, or taken away from what is written and recorded in the Bible.

    Jesus said, I and my Father are one and the same; several times, in the Bible. PERIOD.

    In no way do I approve what other people add or subtract from that statement. I hope someday you will realize that the one reason for denying Truth, to teach others another way; is PRIDE. Something that God hates.

    Mishael
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    Well, you're calling things in the Bible blasphemous. We're not making this up. No one, not me anyway, is reducing God from being the Father or the Most High. Even Jesus Christ states several times that the Father is greater than Him. Christ is still the Messiah who existed before the earth was created.

    I don't judge or condemn anyone for anything. God is our Eternal Father and I build upon the foundation of Jesus Christ is Lord.

    I prayed to God for over twenty years. Not believing in Jesus Christ. No prayers got answered. Once I accepted Jesus Christ everything changed. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

    God Bless you.
  • Rob - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    If a person truly understands The relationship between the Father and the Son .

    They would realize just how blasphemous the God head doctrine really is !

    First of all it reduces God the father from his rightful and sovereign position as Creator of all thing .

    I would not want to stand before him with the trinity doctrine hanging above me !

    Flee the wrath to come !

    Rob


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