1 John Chapter 4 Discussion



 
  • Joshua ogbebor on 1 John 4
    Are can we over the things of this world
  • Jeannie Myers on 1 John 4
    There are days that I absolutely cannot tolerate certain people. If I pray for them does this mean I have love in my heart for them even knowing I want nothing to do with them? I know God doesn't give us the spirit of confusion, I do know where that comes from. I have been struggling with this for some time now. I am saved and asked Jesus to come into my heart, I will never forget that day, not ever! Please, can someone help me to understand how a person can be saved and yet have such bitterness. I know I m supposed to forgive and I have often. I don't want to struggle with this any longer. I can say I love them because I can pray or forgive them but want nothing to do with them, is that coming from a person that has asked the Holy SPirit to come into their lives??? Please help. Thank you, Jeannie.
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Hi Jeannie Myers ,i am the only Christian in my entire family ,i havent seen most of them for well over a year until today ,i cant say that ive ever been very close to any of them ,we dont have much in common but today there was a family get together and it was very apparent to me that i have drifted far from them ,all they could talk about was money ,how well their jobs and their childrens jobs were goung ,how well they were all doing ,financially not spiritually ,where they had been or were going on holiday , i had nothing to say to any of them , some of these people i love very much but today i wondered why i loved them ,i had been thinking that i was getting to be a bit of a worldly person but in the company of a load of proud arrogant materialistic atheists i felt totally out of place ,we are not of this world ,we are not supposed to be ,my advice is to make God and Jesus your best friends and your family ,work on your relationship with them ,when you come into contact with others always be generous and kind as Jesus was and God wants us to be but dont allow this world and the people of it to stick to you ,you are called out of this world ,you are a Christian ,this world isnt your home and the things of this world dont belong to you and you dont beling to it ,try to do those things that please God ,not people , if the world loves you you are probably not pleasing God .
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Sister Jeannie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The day that CHRIST IN YOU arrived, a living FIRE was ALSO kindled IN YOU (for our God is a consuming FIRE Hebrews 12:29).

    If you have ever watched a trash pile be burned, you know it takes time. Even after the flames died down the coals stay alive under the surface. If other trash is put upon the coals the flame appears and destroys them also. CHRIST IS OUR FIRE; live in peace of this knowledge; you will become PERFECT, like him. He will DESTROY the unwanted trash in you. He knows exactly when and how. We are the POT he is the POTTER; be still and behold THE SALVATION OF GOD. Knowing the END (you will be created in the IMAGE OF GOD) CAUSES us through Christ's GRACE to ENDURE.

    When CHRIST IN YOU arrived the ACCUSER was cast out.

    Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is SALVATION, and strength, and the kingdom of GOD (CHRIST IN YOU), and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is CAST DOWN, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Philippians 4:7 And the PEACE OF GOD, which passeth all understanding, shall KEEP your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
  • Pastor-Ronnie Williams - in Reply on 1 John 4
    TO: Jeannie Myers on 1 John 4

    You did not mention if the people you can not tolerate is sinner or saint. Sometimes it is better for Christians to separate themselves, (if possible) from anybody that may provoke them to anger, especially unbelievers; 2 Corinthians 6:14

    (Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?)

    Every time you start thinking on these negative thoughts, remind yourself of God's Word, First John 4:4 (Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.) The most important thing you can do is ask God to forgive you,/ you forgive them, and constantly pray, may the Lord Jesus help you in your trials.
  • Put on Christ even though we may not want to - in Reply on 1 John 4
    I had problems like that when I was younger. Now I'm a bit more wiser. Evangelizing complete strangers works that out of you. Because you see with Jesus's eyes and heart.

    We are to be the Body of Christ when we are confronted with those feelings. The heart of the Lord is Mercy.

    Usually, it is Who is inside of you, that is being repelled by What is in them. It will help if you google: The Armor of God, Teaching. Do not read Wikipedia posts as they are google teachings.

    Ephesians 6: If a person, Christian or Unbeliever, has an invisible evil spirit at work, in the vicinity; trying its best to bring enmity into the situation:

    That is your enemy. It's invisible but you can see, feel and experience the FRUIT that spirit is revealing it's presence. It may be trying to shoo you away from telling that person anything about Jesus.

    You need to put each piece of your Armor on and know what each piece does. Read in the Gospels, what Jesus said and how he responded to spiritual confrontations.

    Sometimes it really helps if we make an appointment to run by the Church at lunch and have a prayer with Pastors wife. It's private and confidential. I know she and Pastor will pray for me later. It's cool.

    We're all called to be likable; not necessarily 'like' everyone we meet.

    The Holy Spirit opened up JOB 1, to me concerning satan and his bad angels. He accuses us right and left. The sneak around observing what we do, what we say under our breath about bad drivers and grumpy people. Satan saw that Job was afraid his kids were not worshiping God right so Job did it for them. Satan sees our fears, our actions, mean mumbling, our wealth and luxury's we like; knows all our friends with "loose mouth", not comforting, speech. Satan destroyed everything Job had, and left Job sitting in the dirt.

    It's best to be silent and trust God even more than we do now. I think you have this under control, you just don't like it. No one does.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Hi Jeannie.

    You're not alone in this struggle, there's areas we continue to grow by praying and continuing in the word,

    Our spiritual growth is increased by God, not our own efforts, That's one of the several things I never could do on my own, and compassion would just come from nowhere, It's the fruit of the spirit, we are to abide in Christ, We may be able to control the our actions externally but inwardly is where we need help,

    Look what Jesus tells the Pharisees:

    Matthew 23:25-28. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

    Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

    There's a Devine connection between 2 true believers, a brotherhood created by the Lord himself. They have the same Spirit, connected to the same vine and have the same vine dresser,

    When there seems to be some disconnect that want mend there is a chance someone is not connected to the vine,

    This is a problem in the Christian community,

    Different views of doctrine has exposed carnal or false Christians by hate that can be seen, It is something to be concerned with but it may be an area the Lord will have to deal with.

    Proverbs 16:7. When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

    God bless.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Hello, developing character and becoming more Christlike is a process, a journey through intentional effort over time. It doesn't magically happen, but takes regular practice.

    Christianity is an action to actively follow (pursue) Christ and try to emulate Him and obey His teachings. It takes a lot of effort. Paul struggled himself and likened it to him running a race to win the prize. The prize is not won yet- that happens after this life when we are first judged and by following Christ we have hope for everlasting life with Him in heaven. I personally do not believe anyone is saved until after God judges us.

    1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

    1 John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

    Matt 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
  • Queen on 1 John 4:1
    I agree. jesus is a mithy king
  • Jered Vereen - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Queen,

    In some quarters of the world, Jesus is mythical as all get out.

    You're not wrong.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Could be that "Jesus is a mighty King".
  • BSP on 1 John 4
    Verse 19 shows that Jehovah God took the initiative in showing love to us and in return we learn how to love.
  • ERECH CHRIST NIMROD on 1 John 4
    We Know and Believe "God is LOVE" to all ethnicities. We do not see pictures of people of color on your sight. Why is this??? Thank you.
  • Sacha on 1 John 4:19
    Can any one help me with this please ? If Christians go to heaven after death why does Jesus say the meek shall inherit the earth ? Any ideas any one ? Thankyou .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4:19
    I see that the "meek inheriting the Earth", is the Lord describing the type of spirit & attitude of a 'meek' person towards God & man. The 'meek' person in himself cannot inherit the Earth, nor can he be acceptable to God without the intervention of the Cross in his life. Yet, that 'meek' disposition must be evident in all of God's children, as one so endued by the Holy Spirit.
  • ERECH CHRIST NIMROD - in Reply on 1 John 4:19
    Dear Sacha on 1 John 4:19 "We LOVE Him because He First LOVED us." Christians who are worthy do go to Heaven after death. And the Meek (the Teachable) will inherit the Earth right here and right now, and in the Hereafter. We pray this has helped you in some way. Peace.
  • James Futch on 1 John 4:19
    Where did the sprinkling for baptism come from in the bible?
  • Vlet on 1 John 4:19
    What is the meaning that Jesus made clay from his spittle and earth, and then applied it to the blindman eye to make him see? What is the deeper meaning? His spittle is God's spittle that is mixed with earth to make the clay; so what is the deeper meaning of all this?
  • Truth seeker on 1 John 4:15
    If we believe that Jesus is the Son of God it's because God enables us to do that . It's not a mental convent only .

    Many just can not understand that being the Son of God means that he comes from God and is of God and not of this world in a spiritual way , yet he was a true man by virgin birth . He was empowered by God in a way that was intimate and beyond any mans knowing of before . He demonstrated it so often , like walking on water , calming storms , going through walls , etc etc

    He had a relationship with the father before the world because God is before the world was .

    Truly the Son of God and empowered by God , and so much more , yet Still the Son of God and no more . God is still God the same as he always was and will be . Jesus is given the highest place at Gods right hand as Gods first Son .

    Do not confuse who Jesus is , that could be another Jesus if you are not careful . The truth bears witness , we can know God and Jesus whom God is in by birth , and we can have this same fellowship

    As Jesus prayed in the garden before his crucifixion.

    Yes the devil try's to confuse who Jesus is and yet , God is still able to draw us to him . If God be for us who can be against us ? None .

    Jesus is the Son of God .
  • A son - in Reply on 1 John 4:15
    Jesus said a man must be born again , yet Jesus was not born again , he was born once in Bethlehem and needed not to be born again , because he was and is the Son of God .

    Jesus had access to the father by his birth of the Father and also Mary . This is how he can say he is the door to God , and no man can come to God but through him . He and his father are one in that way . But the disciple and others can not understand this . Jesus death on the cross for sins past made the way possible to approach God , the first step , Jesus is the door to God for all men because of his relationship to God . No sin ever between Jesus and God .

    I suppose there is so much that could be said . But when you know Jesus and how he brings you to God it's not hard to understand.It makes more sense when experiencing coming to God through Jesus .

    I hope this helps someone .

    Jesus is the Son of God and can bring you to God the father ! Amen!
  • Truth seeker - in Reply on 1 John 4:15
    Yes Jesus is the way to God .

    Read gospel of John anyone that is interested in this all important subject of Jesus and the Father .

    Chapter 12 to chapter 17 , may the Lord find you and reveal the truth to you , we all are still learning . Press on !
  • Jason on 1 John 4:4
    I was really curious about this scripture and just wanted to get someone's thoughts on it. Who do you suppose the word "them" is being referred to? Is it referring to Satan and his demons or the world in general?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:4
    Other people believing false doctrine including christians back then that walked away from the truth of Gods word look at contexted also te shall know them by their fruits.
  • Dave Wood on 1 John 4:1
    Why is their evil when God is all powerful and can eliminate the evil
  • Mishael. - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

    He is the One the scriptures describe:

    John 10:10

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    Luke 18:20

    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

    God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

    If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

    There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.
  • Gary Lee - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Just to add. God is the head of everything. In Job 1:12 God allowed Satan to touch all Job's possessions but not to touch his body. And later in Job 2vs6. God allowed Satan to touch his body but not to kill him. Satan cannot do anything without God's command. Our lives is a picture of Job's life. We too will be tested to see how faithful we are to Jesus. God uses Satan to purify us. God will use our worst enemy to make us grow. Our nosy neighbour, horrible boss and even the tax man or government.
  • Ricky D Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    I do not believe that biblically God used Satan to purify us. We have freedom of Will

    The true God gives by love and belief in the truth the devil steals kills and destroys that is his only Goal. Look at jn 10:9+10 there you have the two opposites more abundant life Jesus Christ or steal kill destroy the adversary. remember God is all good and has no darkness in Him and is the Giver of all life also the last enemy to be destroyed is death a trait of the devil. Mans personal enemy

    Will do anything to blame the true God for things he does not do and make no mistake out enemy knows the scripture but changes it to suit His benefit and He's really good at it.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Ricky, What do you think the human will is free of?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    I never said free of I said man has freedom of will i.e. when a man is born over time he will make up his mind his will to believe gods word or not. But remember we all started thanks to adam born spiritually dead in trespasses and sin without god and without hope hence the reason for Jesus Christ. A persons will is what he determines what he decides in his life via teaching or experience what is right or wrong.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Rick Mentzer, "he will make up his mind his will to believe gods(G) word or not." Couldn't that be said to be, "willing himself to be saved?"

    "Something to consider All knowing God gave freedom of will to all His Creation that included lucifer in the beginning." As God's word clearly teaches, "In the beginning God". The awfulness of sin is apparent in supposing there was a choice other than God's, and lucifer was first. It would stand to reason that "dead in trespasses and sins", begs to transition that state by choice, also known as pride.


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