1 John Chapter 4 Discussion Page 3



 
  • 1 searching on 1 John 4
    Verse 20, is the writer talking about just christian brothers and sisters?
  • Jeff Darnell on 1 John 4:3
    "is come" is and imperfect tense meaning GOD came in the flesh and "is" still coming in the flesh today. Christ in you the hope of glory ( Col 1:27). Jesus said I AM the Alpha the Omega the beginning and the end which is which was which is to come THE ALMIGHTY Rev 1:8

    Jesus said "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins" You must confess that Jesus (I) AM (He) The One True God or you will die in your sins. In Isaiah 43:10 God says you are a witness that the servant he has chosen that you may know, believe, and understand that I (God) AM (He) Jesus. The Son of God is the Father manifested in the flesh.

    But then again you can only call Jesus LORD by the Holy Ghost (1 Corn 12:3) so until the Holy Ghost shows you,, but you should looking to God for answers not a MAN. Praying for you
  • Bella B - in Reply on 1 John 4:3
    Hi. Just read your page about the anti-christ, of which you post a list of possible candidates. Unless I missed something, why isn't Bill Gates on your list? Microsoft owns "Patent 060606" -- He's heavily invested in micro-chipping quantum/ nano-technology; and one vaccine with an enzyme called "LUCIFERASE". His vaccines have injured thousands over the years. He's controlling the entire world right now. People trust him. He giggles, smiles & grins when he's questioned about his so-called "save the world vaccines". Can you NO SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES?
  • Weaver - in Reply on 1 John 4
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is in the world.
  • Bob on 1 John 4
    1 John 3.15,16

    Do you believe Jesus is Gods Son come in the flesh ? Yes or no ?

    Add to or subtract To Jesus and it's a no .
  • Fernando on 1 John 4:8
    We need to enjoin ourselves to that love! enoc overcame this world and so shall we if we are obedient to god's calling
  • Reece on 1 John 4:3
    read John 14, that should clear things up.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on 1 John 4:18
    Fwd:

    Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

    According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

    Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

    And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

    And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

    For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

    Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

    For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. ( 2 Peter 1:1-11)
  • Sunday chansa on 1 John 4:18
    How can I become a man of GOD
  • Fred e Scanlan - in Reply on 1 John 4:18
    I love your words. They are indeed the essence of faith. A "feeling" is much different , than from "knowing" Him. I'm thinking that new comers feel defeated when they fail. Christ expects us to ask for forgiveness. He is faithful and just to forgive our sins.
  • Hope on 1 John 4:18
    The Bible tells us in so many ways that,"God is love." God is also perfect. Perfect love casteth out fear. God casts out fear and will cut the ties that it holds on your heart if you'll but let Him. You've got to keep trusting God no matter how you feel because Faith cannot be summed up into a feeling, Faith will keep trusting even when you can't feel or see God. The teacher is always quiet during the test but, the teacher also doesn't leave the room.
  • Rob on 1 John 4
    1 John 4 v15

    It says that who ever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God , if you add to Jesus here you are not confessing He is the Son of God .

    You would be creating another Jesus . You can not add to the written word of God in statements like this one . 1 John 4 Verse 15 without being in error .
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    I don't have I'll will toward any person , you seem to have Good heart , All the best to those that seek God in sincerity and truth .

    I must say the Bible has been maligned terribly since even the apostles time .

    But the word of God is still true and Jesus is at the fathers right hand interceding !

    If God be for us who can be against us ! I'm very happy in the Lord !
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 John 4
    God Bless you Rob. I am also what God made me. As we all are. I also know that the Lord is the one and only true Judge. Of everything. As the Father committed all judgement unto the Son. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. Why are you judging, condemning, me saying "I can tell you have very little knowledge of the Bible in truth"? Again you are exalting yourself. That you know the "truth" and I don't? Do you think our Father loves you more than me? It saddens me to see this. Do you know of the several teachings of Christ to not exalt yourself? To humble yourself?

    I am also going to state this. As others may look down upon me also. But it is the truth. I do not fear my Father in Heaven. I love Him with everything that I am. All I want to do is what He wants me to do. His Will. What makes Him happy. If He wants to destroy me I know He is all powerful and can do anything He wants. And if that's what He want's then I do too. It's about Him not me.

    I do not want any to perish. Even the most wicked person. But that all shall come to repentance. This is the Will of the Lord. I pray for everyone. Because the Lord has lead me to do so. I am His. Take care Rob.
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Thanks Richard !

    First off I am what I am by the grace of God . I'm a very different person now then before . I trust the Lord to be my judge on how I serve him .

    God is love at heart , but trust me he can be terrifying as well . So better to be on Gods good side because he is going to destroy his enemies.

    I can tell you have very little knowledge of the Bible in truth . But that's nothing unusual these days . Keep at it and always pray to God in Jesus name that He teach you and make you what he wants you to be . His will not ours , like the lord Jesus said and did !

    When I first started reading the Bible , all I knew was it was the truth and Gods word .

    They said a lot of bad things about the Lord and we will get it to . Fear not man but God .
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    If you understand that God said this is my beloved Son! What more does a person need ?
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4
    There's no verse to say we must 'believe' in the Deity of Christ, but there are ample verses to show the Deity of Christ, as has been given in other discussions with you Rob.

    However, since you mentioned 1 John 4:15 showing "Jesus as the Son of God", let's not forget verses 2 & 3, "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

    If you've done a study of 1 John, you would have seen that Gnostic teaching was rife & intruding into the Church, hence this urgent epistle by John. There are many facets to Gnosticsm & one branch, Docetism, had this devilish teaching that "the incarnation is incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". Hence John gave out this urgent & stern warning as we read in verses 1-3 to always "test the spirits whether they are of God, because false prophets (& specifically the teachers holding to Gnostic beliefs) are gone out into the world".

    And how would the believers know how to discern which spirit was speaking? John says, It is "God's Spirit (through the teacher) that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh". Did these false teachers deny the physical Jesus? No. Jesus' presence on Earth was both an historical & real experience that none could deny. The denial came when that physical Body was taught to be united to God since it was impossible for God, so Holy & Pure, to join Himself with anything of the flesh. John clarifies that this is the evil coming forth from such spirits that want to lessen the full value & beauty of Jesus coming as God's Son from God, by simply confining Him to a fleshly existence. Some even proposed that only a spiritual Jesus was on Earth & the Crucifixion was effected by just a man.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Rob,

    Please take this in all kindness, peacefulness, and gentleness. Where is the verse that says we need to believe Jesus Christ only began to exist when he was born on earth? Please don't come back at me and curse me trying to say only what you perceive is the truth. It seems different people have different ways of interpreting Jesus Christ. But if some of us are simply believing what John the Baptizer, Christs Apostles, and Jesus Christ Himself said in the Bible. Then you are simple not believing all of them either. And just want to believe in your own idea. Which really, to me, is fine. As long as we acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and the Messiah sent from our Father in Heaven. That died on the cross for our sins. Why so much going back and forth about this? We are not going to change our views(which is backed up by many Scriptures) and I doubt you are going to change your view.

    So again please don't take this harshly by any means. Instead of arguing or telling other people they believe a lie from the devil. Maybe we should praise the Lord in some way. I'll leave this one verse for everyone. John 5:23 God Bless.
  • Rob on 1 John 4
    Here we have a verse 1 John 4.15

    There are others like it .

    But where is the verse that says we need to believe in the deity of Christ ?

    Thanks for your input !
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4:3
    I have no problem , I stick

    To the revealed word of God .

    God said this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well please .

    I'm very much in agreement with Gods witness on record , don't add to Gods word .

    If you truly understand what the witness of God is then you will not add more to it .

    I'm not adding you are .

    Think twice who is right you or anyone's else , or God .

    Gods witness on record is enough to those that believe it , and receive it they have the witness in themselves .
  • Alex - in Reply on 1 John 4:3
    Rob you are the one with a problem GEE WHIZ GET A LIFE, The Father wd NOT instruct all the Angels to worship his Son if he were not God THE SON. The Father himself wd be breaking the 1st commandment if he instructed all the angels to worship his son if he were not God . Jesus though it not robbery to be equal to his Father saying all mine is thine and all thine is mine. The Father said that everything has to multiply after its kind EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN AND EARTH And we see that CHRIST can indeed multiply after the God kind with his good seed the LIVING WORD Saying to whom the WORD came ( his seed )made them Gods,Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit he is able to reproduce after the GOD KIND which proves he is truly God the Son Everything has to multiply after its Kind no exceptions. His seed is truly the seed of God he wd not refer to his seed as "GOOD" IF IT WERE NOT GOD. There cd not be an Israel of GOD "the kingdom" if the son were not God. His GOOD SEED is gona bring in the Israel of God th woman with CHILD. When the FATHER said go forth and multiply that was addressed to Christ also thats y the son will go forth and sow his precious seed in humanity that he might be multiplied as the stars of heaven in us sinners the H.G is his fruit our new innerman, our new heart and new spirit ok gbu
  • Hugo Zyl - in Reply on 1 John 4:3
    Dear Brother Rob, God bless you

    So who or what (I do not know which to use in this case) is Jesus Christ? Please speak clearly.

    Peace & Love in Christ
  • Rob on 1 John 4:3
    1 John 4.3

    What is the Spirit of Antichrist?

    It denies that Jesus Christ the one God gave witness to at his Baptism and on the mount transfiguration.

    Is the Christ .

    It's a spiritual Christ , not the same as Jesus of Nazareth, born in Bethlehem. Born of God , the Son of God .

    If you add to the witness of God on who God said Jesus is you are adding to Gods very witness .

    You can find scriptures that could imply more . But now you are contradicting the very solid scriptures . And so many many of them

    Over 40 verses call Jesus the Son of God . None say Jesus is GOD of a Godhead . You have a very serious problem here .

    Yes Thomas called him my lord and God , and I don't have a problem with that .

    Some people call Buddha their God too ! And we know it's just a stone figure like other idols .

    The spiritual Jesus is The I AM GOD JESUS. Totally contrary to the real Jesus Christ .

    Jesus said before Abram was I am .

    He is not saying I A M GOD , but being born of God he has a relationship with God that was before Abraham, quite different.

    Because he is Born of God .

    And mature in God , so he could say I and my father are one . But the father was in control and Jesus obeyed him . Jesus followed GODs lead .

    Only The LORD GOD can say I AM GOD and there is no other . Also known as the Father of All ... and Jesus clearly called Him father .

    Anyone else is an impostor. To claim to be I Am GOD .

    James said you do well to know there is only 1 GOD . Even the devils know and tremble .

    The Anti Christ himself will exalt himself as being GOD , this I AM spiritual Jesus is heading that way .

    Read 1 John 4 , 1,2,3,4
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4
    1 John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" In this verse, the word "brother" (Gk. adelphos) refers to one in the community of believers.

    However, in other references the word can be expanded to mean all fellow men (e.g. Matthew 22:39, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."). A different word used here (Gk. plesion), but in the spirit of Christian love, we are to show love also to those whom we come across in our life's journey.

    And of course, we can demonstrate love in many ways - in fact, we should go out of our way to see that our brother or sister in Christ, or our unsaved neighbours are well cared for both spiritually & physically, making their lives more easy & enjoyable & thus having the witness of God's love shown to them. How can the unsaved ever understand Who God is unless they find visible proof in those who profess to have God in them? How can their hearts & ears ever open to the Good News unless they become genuinely inquisitive to a type of love they have not known? If done for the unsaved, then how much more we need to be to those in the faith, showing a love & care that goes beyond carnal human desires or abilities.
  • 1 searching on 1 John 4
    Someone please explain to me what it means to love the brethren ? Especially the part about loving God who you have not seen but hate your brother who you have seen. Is he talking about a christian brother or natural brother?
  • Andy G van den Berg on 1 John 4
    On 1 JOHN 4:7.

    By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein ( 1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' ( John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

    By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week ( Acts 7:48; 17:24), does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. That is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

    Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).
  • Latasha - in Reply on 1 John 4:8
    AMEN!For us to love , God has to love
  • Mickey - in Reply on 1 John 4:16
    I heard as a baby Christian that the Holy Spirit is your teacher, your comforter, convicter of sin, protector. Study the HS
    In your concordance in the Bible. He comes alongside you when you call. His love is wonderful :)
  • Mickey on 1 John 4
    Some have asked what the New Testament says about judging others, etc.
    Matthew 7:1
    Luke 6:37
    John 7:24
    1 Corinthians 4:5
    Concerning unforgiveness, whether in the past or the present: If we don't forgive others, God will not listen to our prayers.
    It's not a feeling. It's an act of obedience no matter how others hurt us. Some of need to forgive ourselves. That was hardest fo me to learn. A really great DVD to watch on the subject, is The Shack. Might find it at Walmart. I had to watch it 28 times.
  • Ozzie - in Reply on 1 John 4
    From my understanding reading scripture just believing you are saved Baptism is the first command given to identify with Chris being immersed unto his death and bringing up unto life but lets just say if your in the hospital for example and can t be immersed just believe from your heart and you will be saved had an uncle who was an atheist dying of cancer 6 weeks wen to visit him and started understanding scriptures more and more finally went into a coma we went to visit him while he was yet in a coma came out of the comma briefly accepted Christ went right back in a comma died soon after look in scripture one of the thieves hanging on the cross with Christ read that part of scripture.


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