1 John Chapter 3 Discussion Page 6

Paul, your spiritual definition of racism is correct, that its root is found in man's hatred of another & that based on his race or culture & ideology. I could even add, that man's sin of believing he is of greater worth than another, would also lead to his view & treatment of others. Fortunately, most of us endeavour to treat everyone equally, but this sin of superiority permeates every area of society, with its seed in each of us. However, I don't see that Cain was the first racist murderer: he & Abel were of the same race, culture & ideology, but that Abel's offering was respected by God & Cain's was not seems to be the motive.

I can't seem to ascertain the 'first racial murder' except to think of God's command to the Israelites to drive out & destroy the Anakim & other nations ( Deut 9:1-3) but that was based on the nations' wickedness & for the possession of those lands for Israel. So, in a sense, Israel was commanded to seek & destroy based on another's race & religion.

Slavery, we discern, started with Abraham ( Gen 12:16) & when the Law came ( Lev 25:44-46). Further direction was given as to the treatment of slaves ( Ex 21). Admittedly, slavery then would have been quite different in many respects to what we term as 'modern slavery', where slaves legally had a better life & protections & on the whole were treated as part of the family community (especially when a slave turned to Judaism).

Every government which has laws in place that afford their citizens equality & freedom to practise their faith, culture, language, etc., must also ensure that those laws are respected & applied in every area of society. What we're seeing now is that failure in policing those laws & indeed, turning a blind eye to the 'minorities' in society & possibly even harbouring those racist tendencies within their own walls.

Your point is accepted and well taken since you stick with scripture by itself. We must NOT let the culture social engineer our understanding of the BIBLE. ONLY the Lord himself by His Spirit is to give us the proper and corrected understanding of scripture. Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

Seems like the media pushes all the blame for racism on whites.

Why do they hate whites who printed Bibles and built churches? Europe and the USA did

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] HEAD head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

[Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN, not black] as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

I am curious if the Lord made a mistake when he put whites in Europe and blacks in Africa?

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

This Scripture addresses the heart of what racism is. Hatred for another human being period whether you are the same skin color or culture or a different culture and ideology combines hatred with murder and racism. This ALL started with the first racist murderer Cain who killed his brother Abel at the start. In history slavery started in the Middle East and Africa which carried on the legacy of Cain. The same thing occurred in the Americas with white slave owners who murdered black slaves. NOW today in the 21st there is the seed of Cain in ALL forms of racist hatred and murder between white, black, brown and tan as America is going into the 2020 meltdown. Systematic racism and murder is ONLY cured by Faith in Christ alone. This social engineering of Marxism and destroying history is a cover up for humanity's need of a savior to deliver us from the deadly systematic sin of racist hatred and murder in our hearts.

I'll be 69 in July :D

I was born again on Yom Kippur 1985. I was doing a horoscope with a friend. She said, it seems to make sense but the Bible says it's WRONG! (Has a form of godliness but denies the power) Her face disappeared and I was seeing Revelation 1:14. It was a vision that changed me instantly. Sometimes I think He was burning scales off my eyes. My ears open so that silence was so loud! Someday I'll Tell my testimony.

I'll be 77 this July, and this was one of my 'go to' scriptures for years in my early Born Again life. It is refreshing to see/read it again as a reminder that God is still "the same yesterday, today & forever"! Amen?! Amen!

Kol Tov i.e. be well

Perhaps the Scriptuers in my Comment will help you understand Adam what Wayne was seeking to share with you.

God tells us to put our Carnal Flesh to Death.....Rom8:12-15 -2Cor7:1 - Col3:4-6 - Gal5:24-26 -1Jn3:2-4 -1Pet1:21-23 - 2Tim2:19-21 ........ God tells us that we are to Aim to be Perfected in His Love..... Matt5:48 - Heb6:1 - Phil3:14-16 - 2Tim3:17 - 1Jn4:16-19 - 1Jn2:4-6 - Col1:27-29 - 2Cor13:11 ....... God Tells us we will No Longer Sin when we are Born Again..... 1Jn3:1-11 - 1Jn5:18-20 - 1Jn2:28-29 - John8:34-36 - Rom6:1-23 - Rom8:1-4 - 1Pet2:24 - Eph4:23-24 - Luke6:45-46 -2Tim2:19-21- 2Cor7:1 - 1Pet1:21-23 - 1Jn2:4 - Jn9:31 - Titus2:13-15 - Dan12:10. Hope this helps.

1 Peter 1:7-25
1 Peter 3:18
Galatians 5:17-26
I hope that's helpful
James 1:5

Very True Wayne but sadly many do not understand this Truth because it is not being Taught most Churches today and so Christians believe they will Sin until they die but it's OK because they are under Grace and as God tells us what we believe or think is True we will do and so they do. There are many Scriptures that Confirm we don't Continue to Sin when we are Born Again of Gods Seed including the ones you shared Wayne and it was Taught in the early Church as we see with Pauls own Testimony as he aimed to be Perfect as others in the Church were and he was before he died and so received the Crown of Righteousness and so can we. It would good Wayne to Pray with you for Gods Lost Sheep today.

Do do you yourself claim to be sinless? Do you not need grace anymore, because you're 100% sinless and perfect as a Christian?

If a "Christian" wants to or is out sinning then said Christian is not a Christian. The Bible calls said a child of Satan. Does that person have freedom to sin? Sure. But real Christians, followers of Jesus Christ, have had the need to sin removed from themselves and keep themselves from the wicked one. Satan, the father of all sinners, as the Bible clearly states.

Do you believe a Christian doesn't have the freewill to sin? If so that contradicts scripture. Have you considered that the reason 1 John 3:6 says whoever abideth doesn't sin is because a Christian is abiding, being obedient and deliberately choosing to avoid sin rather than assuming that a Christian can't sin, or assuming it's ok to sin because it's 'not really sin'? The latter is a lie from satan of course and satan deceives some Christians into believing sinning is ok, which it clearly is not. Jesus clearly said to avoid sin and be obedient. If Christians had no freewill and were robots then why would Jesus say so many times to be obedient? John 14:15 Those who justify sin don't love Jesus, do you agree?

Adam, Even in the old testament the message always was be ye holy as I Am holy. 1 Peter 1 States be ye holy for I AM holy. Can a person be saintly sinner or sinning saint? Is there scripture for that? If so, please state so. I would like to know. One must read scripture and be doers, not just readers only. We aren't called, as followers of Jesus Christ, to b translators but hearers and doers of the word. Read 1 John 2:1. He says he writes these things that we should SIN NOT.

Adam, 1John3:6, Whosever abideth in him SINNETH NOT, whosoever SINNETH hath not seen him neither known him. V.8, HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. So if a person is out committing sin, he is of the devil. For even that person has committed sins from his beginning. 1John 3:9, He that DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN is born of God. For His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God. Very clear. Now a person should understand that Bible scripture does not fight itself, but is inline with every other scripture, tooting the same horn, as it were.

Adam, have you talked to a vast number of Christians? And what a vast number of Christians think about scripture has nothing to do about correctly understanding scripture. The angels in heaven have the freedom to to sin, as Lucifer, but it states the angels, in heaven, are not going around sinning. They are marching around the throne of God praising his glorious name. One has the option at all times to sin but Christ came to take away the penchant for sinning. Many scriptures. Read Romans chapters 5&6. The sin chapters. New person in Christ. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How are we that are dead to sin continue there in?

This seems to be a common argument lately and I see no evidence it is from the Bible or God. Have you prayed to God for wisdom and clarification of this? Because to the vast majority of Christians the Bible in crystal clear English says Christians can and do sin. Even angels in heaven had the freewill to sin and that's what satan and his followers did. Isaiah 14:12, Ezekiel 28. If it was impossible for a Christian to sin today then why would Jesus spend so much time telling his followers specifically NOT to sin, but to obey? Are Christians robbed of freewill? No, they still can choose sin and often do. Some use grace as an excuse to enjoy sinning. John 14:15, John 3:36, 1 Cor 11:27-32.

If you read the Bible correctly there are to be no future sins. 1 John v.2. Those who profess Christ have to grow in the Lord and sin not. Christ came to cancel. Read Romans chapters 5&6. Very clear. If one does not come to grips with plain scripture they are enjoying not only their ignorance of scripture but their sinful lifestyle.

Actually, by the scripture that I have presented, it is clear that sin is to be irradicated from us. Whosoever abideth in him SINNETH NOT! That scripture is perfectly clear English. Whosoever sinneth, hath not seen him, neither known him. Again, perfectly clear English. Needs no explanation. We are to b complete in him. Whoever does not live in the power of the blood of Jesus Christ and doesn't revel n his salvation, us list for eternity. There are no sinners in heaven. One prominent group says one can b a sinner and b saved at the time of death. Gal 1:6-9 States that's another gospel which is not a gospel of Jesus Christ. There are no sinners in Heaven!!!

Verse 18, chapter 5, We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not, but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. V.19, And we know that we ARE OF GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness! Finishes the whole sin thing!!!

Our hearts sometimes condemn us but let us have confidence, 3:19 and hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
3:20 for if our heart condemn us, god is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
3:21 beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward god.
be confident god has forgiven all...all your sins. if god didnt provide a way to remove your future sin he would'nt be able to assure your eternal life or everlasting confidence in him. although you may do sin he has removed you from the punishment required by that sin. you are no longer under the law of the flesh to be enslaved by it. praise god, you are free for life

Vs 9 now makes a lot of sense, whosoever is born of god doth not commit sin; for his seed (god's seed, christ) remaineth in him







9 you): and he (christ) cannot sin, because he (you)is born of god. praise god you cannot sin because christ remains in you by his promise of eternal life. i once declared to my bible study class that they could not sin even if they thought they could. that they were going to heaven like it or not. sound coo coo? once christ takes away your sin he also takes away your capability to sin, 1st by placing christs righteousness in you,2nd by removing you from the law of the flesh, 3rd by placing you under the law of grace. if you could sin it would be on christ

Faith in christ has removed you from punishment from the law, you are now under grace and under the law of grace where grace will always abound and cover your sin, vs 5 know that he was manifested to take away our sins. vs 6 whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: not because of what you've done , understand vs 7 let no man deceive you , now we can do righteous acts, he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. before this time romans says there is none righteous no not one .no one would ever say this includes christ. now christ, is in you and you in him.vs 8 for this purpose the son of god was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. sins gone in you

Have no fear of this scripture. believe it as you would any other scripture . believe christ has taken all your sin away. go back to verse one answer what your thinking about later verses. god has forgiven all your sins. the love of god is shed on us by forgiving all - all- your sins by placing christ in you and his righteousness , simply your record and refection before god the father looks perfect regardless of your actions. you now cannot stain christs righteousness. see vs 2 we shall be like him. vs 3 if your hope and faith is in christ your purity is like christs. vs 4 if you still think you transgress the law you break the law , therefore you should think christ has removed you from

Whosever abideth in him sinneth not, whosever sinneth hath not seen him neither known him. V.#6. He that committeth sin is of the devil for the devil sinneth from the beginning, for this purpose the son of God was manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil, v#8. Scripture is pretty clear on sin. You sin, you looze!!! You sin, you're a child of Satan!!! You looze!!! You looze now and you pay for your own sins. The wages of sin is death. A Christian is to he a new creature in Christ. No child of God is a sinner! Preposterous! Be ye holy for I am holy. Thus saith the Lord. Those who say they are sinners are enjoying their sinful ways! They're going to hell!!! Don't doubt it!!!

Ps94:23 And He shall bring upon them their own iniquity and shall cut them off in their Own Wickedness yea The LORD our God shall cut them off...
To Understand Gods Truth lam and not just Trust in what we or others think Scripture means we need to ask for Gods Wisdom Prov4:7 and not doubt we have received it Jas1:5-8 and by the Empowering of The Holy Spirit 1Cor2:9-16 we will understand Luke11:13.

Psalm94:23 And He shall bring upon them their own iniquity... Romans 8:12 Therefore Brethren we are debtors not to the flesh to live after the flesh for if ye live after the flesh ye shall die but if ye through The Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall Live For as many as are Led by The Spirit of God they are the Sons of God. 1John3:9 Whosoever is Born of God doth not Sin.....

True Randy no where in Scripture does it say we continue to Sin untill we die if we are Born Again of God's Seed He tells us to Work out our Salvation not meaning work for it to put our Carnal flesh to death by The Spirit Rom8:15-2Tim2:19-21- Col3:4-6 to bePerfect like He is Mt5:48 -Heb6:1 we will No longer Sin Read all of 1Jn3 and -5:18-20-2:28-29-Jn8:34-36 All Rom6 Dan12:10 there are Many More.

Sin is sa Huge Term...Means Falling Short of God's Perfection...We Sin because We are All Sinners to the Day We Die...Best Read Galatians and 1st Cor....Shows 2 Classes of Man...Natural , Carnal and Spiritual....Unsave is Natural...The Saved have a DSual Nature ..Carnal from The Old Life and Spiritual Holiness from God....We are to Kill The Old Man and Walk in The New Man...also Read 1st John ONE

And he staggered not at the promise of GOD through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to GOD. Being fully persuaded that what GOD had promised, HE was also able to perform it! Believe Jesus Fully!

Neil...maybe sin isn't what we do, but what we believe! after all, didn't jesus say he took away all of our sin...as far as the east is from the west??? doesn't the bible say, "while we were yet sinners, christ died for us!" doesn't it say born again believer does not sin...cannot sin! should we not take him at his word? wouldn't it be wonderful to be free from sin, to be righteous ...all because of him! thankyou jesus!!!