1 John Chapter 1 Discussion

  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Kathy GBU ....Lemme mention some thing about what Jesus did at Calvary...Jesus said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...Thats what the Cross was for ppl like this young man that was in bondage to something or other....any sinner...While we were yet sinners Christ DIED for us..Thats all inclusive...Our conduct has nothin to do with it...Its what Jesus did at Calvary that the father sees.... Romans 10:20 kjv....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...This N.C. at Calvary is all inclusive....I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest and they shall no more teach know the lord for they shall all know me... Jeremiah 31:34....Remember Jesus said i come to set the captive free....I come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives

    ...... Titus 3:57.....Not by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy and regeneration of the H.G. that we are saved....Its not about us....When Jesus said it finished there are no more works we can do to obtain salvation....The H.G. is the gift of God....To humanity....God so loved the world....But we have to wait for his book to be opened b/f the Kingdom can come....The Kingdom is not here just yet...Remember God told Daniel do thy way Daniel till the words of book that is sealed is opened... Daniel 12 :8 kjv....That N.C. in his blood....I am the light of the world but the nite comes when no man can work...But Micah 5:3 tells us that God was gonna give them up till the woman is in travail and birth pains....And Rev. 12 :10 kjv says that NOW IS COME Salvation and THE KINGDOM of our lord and his Christ...etc...But plz note the kingdom does not come till the book is opened and the woman gives birth to the Children of the Kingdom....Unless you receive the Kingdom as lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....But not to worry as Jeremiah 30:6 Jeremiah sees all all all men in travail and birth pains...A time of Jacobs trouble which is an Israel of God .
  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Kathy lemme tell you what Jesus said in Rev.21:8 .....Every sinner will have his part in the lake of fire...Jesus said i come to bring fire on the earth and what if it is already kindled....Mans evil adamic nature....none righteous no not one is the kindling....Thus the need for that baptism of the H.G. nd fire....That baptism of PROMISE....Ya gotta realize that our God is a consuming fire and his wrath is his love for humanity....Whom the lord loveth he chastens thus we will all have to go thru that lake of fire....Which is baptism of the H.G. and Fire the gift of God...As Jesus tells us...Whosoever was not found written in that book of life was cast into the lake of fire...ty Jesus its simply what we need...Thats y Jesus is saying i come to bring fire on the earth....its what we need.

    ..... Malachi 3:2 kjv...Who shall abide the day of his coming...( 2 nd coming )....For who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a Refiners fire and fullers soap....( a cleansing fire )...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire a cleansing fire....An internal cleasing of a new heart and a new spirit....A new innerman which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit....A baby Christ thats y they spoke in tongues it was just baby talk....till the Child is of age....That New born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word is the H.G...Thats y Jesus was saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....Our new heart and new spirit...But remember Jesus said he cd not speak for a while....Thus the tongues... it was just baby talk....Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...That New BORN BABE IS SPIRIT the H.G.....ok lemme go
  • GIGI - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Dear Kathy,

    Ultimately, God is the only true and just judge of every person. It is sad that someone would say such a thing about someone who was addicted to a drug that is often deadly. We cannot know this son's heart. Even his mother does not know. It is obvious that his mom is very disturbed by his drug use and overdose. She may have been at the end of her rope worrying and speaking to him about getting clean. Give her some grace to grieve her son's death and reassure her that God does reach out to people in peril, whether one brings this peril upon oneself or not. He desires to save and all of His elect will be save. We just do not know what the Holy Spirit did in this son's inner self before he died. We would hope that He was indeed elected to salvation, but we cannot know this side of heaven.
  • Kathy Wilson on 1 John 1
    Someone told my friend that her son went to hell because he died of a heron overdose.

    My question is, do you believe that is true?
  • Michael Paterson on 1 John 1
    1 John 1 was the apostle addressing as yet the unconverted where he shares with them what he knew to be true. Why has this not been taught more wide-spread? Confusion stems from twisted truths and I believe if the twisted truth of 1 John 1:9 being written for the converted was put right then many would be set free from sin consciousness as the gospel was intended to do.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 John 1

    I John was written to combat the beginnings of Gnosticism. Gnostic is from the Greek word that means knowledge.

    The Gnostics claimed to have special knowledge that no one else could know unless they were one of the initiated ones.

    These false teachers and teachings arose from within the church.

    Gnostic doctrine was based on dualism which asserted that physical matter was inherently evil and spirit was good.

    At the time John was leading the churches in Asia, Gnosticism had two main groups.

    1. Docetics taught that Jesus's physical body was not real but only seemed to be physical. This is known as asceticism from a Greek word that means "to appear."

    2. Cerenthians taught that Christ's Spirit descended upon the human Jesus at his baptism, but left him just before the crucifixion.

    The main teaching about Jesus from this movement denied the Lord's humanity in order to support the Lord's sinless nature.

    Is there something specific that you are looking for in 1 John?
  • Towerserource111 - in Reply on 1 John 1
    philippians 4:13
  • Cedrick moke on 1 John 1
    What verse is that I can do all through crist
  • Bret Willis - in Reply on 1 John 1:8
    *Son of God, not God the Father... Colosians 1, First born of all creation. You can find Jesus mentioned as "Wisdom" in Proverbs 8, you can find Him as one of the "3 men" who comes to Abraham before the destrution of Sodom. You can read where it says "My Lord rained down fire and brimstone, from the Lord out of heaven." Jesus was also wrestling with Jacob. Jesus changed Oshea's name to Joshua before entering the promised land. And many other times Jesus, as the TRUE son of God, was on the Earth carrying out God the Father's will all through out the old testament. And of course, in Genesis One, "Let US make man in OUR image..." etc...
  • Michael Lee Powell on 1 John 1:8
    Amen! Jesus is God!
  • Ann Taylor on 1 John 1
    I love this so much!!
  • T. Levis - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hebrews 6, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 7, Romans 8:27, Romans 8:34, Psalms 139,

    Romans 8:26,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on 1 John 1
    The verses in Revelation about the incense of the prayers of the saints seem to indicate this. ( Revelation 5:8 and 8:4). This could of course specifically refer to those still suffering on earth; or a combination of them and those in heaven. John's revelation; and Stephen's of Christ STANDING up on His throne right before he died also seem to show understanding behind the veil; as it were.

    Obviously; the sin of necromancy which is a form of idolotry becomes a hotly contested point which many would state to show that this cannot be the case; or those who somehow believe in "soul sleep" despite verses to the contrary as scripture shows. It is certain that we are to NOT seek communication the OTHER WAY as to those who are departed. Such occurrences (with the possible exception of Saul and Samuel as recorded in scripture) are without question demons imitating the characteristics of the departed.

    We also don't need to be so fixated on what is tangible with the five senses; especially concerning the state of anyone who has passed on from this life and therefore doesn't have a physical body as yet like ours on earth. Those who are able to see the heavenly council (such as angelic and other creatures; as well as demons) are experiencing the spiritua realm; and thus would have a much clearer understanding of the cause and effect of events on the earth; as Revelation indicates. (The experience there could very well have been a literal visit to the future by John as well as understanding the message in the present to the churches). We certainly have evidence of Elijah (who never died) and Moses (who did) talking with Christ. They would have known what was going on with Him; at least related to His impending death. Again; the revealed glory may have been a glimpse of the future as well; or what He always was in preincarnate state.

    It certainly seems clear that we will be active participants during all Tribulation judgments; and see those under the throne.
  • Patti on 1 John 1
    Do people who are in heaven pray for those on earth and do they know what's going on here on earth?
  • Marke - in Reply on 1 John 1
    1 John 1:9

    King James Version

    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    This verse proves Christians are not sinlessly perfect on earth.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Yes indeed - that is a powerful, yet comforting verse to remind us that HE IS Who He is & He WILL DO what He says. Psalm 51:17 promises us that, "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." And when that brokeness & contrition are instigated by God's Spirit & we come to the Lord wholly dependent on Jesus' shed Blood to cleanse & bring forgiveness, we can be confident that God will do as He promises & will restore His erring child. Such great Love we receive from the Father towards His very own.

    Also, whether it is coincidental or not, I took note of your moniker (EGLL), which is also the ICAO abbreviation for Heathrow Airport, London. Interesting.
  • GiGi - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Dear, Jim to equate the sinless Son of God, Jesus Christ with Adam, a created son of God who could not resist a simple command

    of God not to eat of one tree when he had many tress he could eat of, is offensive. One who is truly God cannot sin. Only Jesus

    never sinned. Only Jesus is the One and Only Divine Son of God. He is unique and solitary, being both fully God and fully Man.

    Adam was not both human and God. He is called a son of God, because He was directly created by God, without the cooperation

    of humans to conceive a child. But Adam was only a created human being. To say that either Adam and Jesus are both God or

    both only human is faulty logic. It takes faith, however, to believe Scripture that teaches that Jesus is "God with us".
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Just to take this further, Jim. I'm assuming that you're referring to Luke 3:38: "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." To remain true to the original language, the phrase "the son" (wherever it appears in the reading), is not shown in Greek. Rather, it would read, "...of Enos, which was of Seth, which was of Adam, which was of God"; as it would similarly read for the others in that passage.

    From research, one can learn that in these verses (vv24-38), the Greek word 'tou' (with the genitive) means 'belonging to'; though in Luke 3:22,23, the word 'Son' is definitely used. Why the translators chose to add "the son of" is known only to them, though I suspect that in almost all cases there was a clear line of humanity (of 'begetting') which they carried through to the beginning, that of Adam. And the fact that "the son" is shown in italics, indicates that they understood that it wasn't in the original language.

    With that aside, the 1 Corinthians chapter 15 reference by the apostle, was to show that though both Adam & Christ were alike in their 'coming' from God, their origins were totally different. Adam was created from the dust of the earth - Christ created into humanity by the Spirit of God ( Luke 1:35). The first was a product of the earth - the second a product from Heaven. True, Jesus was humanly formed & birthed & that was so, for His Coming was to be understood from the Davidic line, fulfilling the prophecies that went before Him & of course, to lay down His Life as a Sacrifice for all.

    Then to assert that "Adam is also God", would be false, as there was nothing about Adam's creation to indicate that another god was produced & then fell. But for Jesus, His Coming was from God's Presence & Being - entitling Him to be called the Son of God & also worshipped.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Dear Jim,

    This will be the last time I reply to you on this topic.

    I took ample time to show numerous verses that clearly say Jesus is God and you deny it. It sounds like your heart is closed based on your response. That is between you and God. No amount of dialog between us will likely change your mind. So, I will wish you well because you are putting your hope and trust that verses like John 1:1 are wrong. It says Jesus (the Word) is God and you believe Jesus is "not" God. It sounds like you are reading it with your own premise, THEN finding and interpreting scripture to fit your premise, rather than starting with reading scripture first with an blank slate THEN praying for understanding. Every one of your points above are answered by just reading the Bible without any filters or bias.

    While I appreciate respectul dialog up to this point, what I don't appreciate is a disingenious comment such as this "you totally ignored it." This is false. I didn't ignore anything. To try to figure out what you accused me of "ignoring" I now scrolled up to a higher comment where you posted a verse to someone else. Of course your same assumption of "ignoring" could be said about you, because you didn't respond to each of the verses like John 1:1 that I actually replied to you, not to someone else like you did.

    You also didn't respond to my question to you if you've prayed about this? Have you prayed to know the truth about Jesus and have you felt any confirmation or anything in your heart as a response? I won't characterize you as intentionally ignoring as you did to me, but it's noteworthy that you haven't responded to this important point. God bless.
  • GiGi - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Well said, Adam.

    Those who deny that Jesus is God have to pervert Scripture in ways you noted. Throughout the history of the church there have been those who deny the divinity of Jesus or His humanity. These ideas have been dealt with repeatedly over the centuries and Scripture refutes these claims and the church regards these claims as grave error. And here it emerges once again in this century. You are right to equate denying Jesus divinity with one who does not believe in Him.
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Adam

    Your opening comments are very interesting.

    The things you say of me are exactly what you are doing.

    You also didn't address the passage in 1 Cor 15:45, you totally ignored it.

    Luke 3:38 Adam is called the son of God. Jesus is compared to him.

    He is also the son of God. The two Adams. The first one failed the second one didn't.

    Jesus is now at the right hand of God and Jesus has been given all power from God.

    Jesus will reign until the last enemy is destroyed and that enemy is death.

    Then Jesus gives everything back to God and is subject to him. 1 Cor 15:28

    You say I denied Jesus divinity. What do you mean by that? Jesus is at Gods right hand.

    He is Gods son. He is in a very divine position.

    But is he God? No, he is the son of God. No ware in the scriptures is he called God the Son.

    Lets look at some of the scriptures you sent me.

    John 14:6 Consider John 5:30, 6:38, 7:16, 14:24,31

    His words were his Fathers not his own. The doctrine he spoke wasn't his. He didn't do his own will but his Fathers.

    This is why Jesus said I and my Father are one. John 10:30

    The Jews accused Jesus of saying he was God. Where did he direct them? Psalm 82:6-7

    The scripture called men gods. They were the rulers of Israel. They were Gods representatives.

    1 John 5:7 This verse is very interesting. It is not included in a number of other versions.

    These are American Standard Version, Bible in Basic English, Easy to Read Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible,

    International Standard Version, Revised Version and World English Version. Why is it not included in these versions?

    Jesus was sent and the one sending is greater then the one being sent. John 13:16

    Jesus was in the beginning with God in that God new what man was about. Man would need a saviour.

    Geneses 3:15 The seed of the woman. Before Abraham was, I Am.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Jim, just noticed your comment about denying Jesus's divinity. People try to do that from time to time, but in order to do so requires cherry picking one verse, twisting it, then ignoring the mountain of other verses in the Bible. In this case you're conflating God's son with the phrase 'sons of God' which was used in a general sense. The same unsound logic can be applied to twist anything else into what you want it to mean. It's pretty hard to deny verses like John 1:1 that clearly say Jesus is God though. It takes mental gymnastics to escape the truth of such verses. Jesus in Isaiah 7:14 is called Immanuel which literally means "God with us" but its up to each person whether they want to accept Jesus or deny Him. 1 John 2:22-24

    Do you consider yourself a Christian? To be a Christian means you follow Jesus Christ and if you don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is similar to what nonbelievers think. Some even admit who Jesus is, but still stubbornly won't accept Him. It's a spiritual battle. Matthew 7:21

    John 14:6 - No one comes to the Father (also God) but through Jesus.

    1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

    John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

    John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

    Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

    2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

    John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    John 20:28

    Pretty hard to disregard all these Biblical truths about Jesus. He became flesh and died for you. Have you tried praying and asking who Jesus is and to reveal that to you?
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    That is true what you quoted but it does not change the fact that both are called the Son of God. If they are both the Son of God they both had the same Father. If Jesus is God then Adam is also God. The difference is Adam failed.

    If Adam isn't God then neither is Jesus.

    Jesus had a human mother Adam didn't.

    Also notice in your quotation from Corinthians they are both called man.
  • Grae - in Reply on 1 John 1
    I'm with Ronald Whittemore on this , thanks Ron for your explanation . To you Vanessa , I think that u were correctly instructed , however , I urge into read the whole Bible for yourself rather than take any of our words for it . The Bible is for every one and the more u read the more u understand , read it all , not just the New . The Old is an excellent illuminator of the New . May God bless your efforts .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    1 Corinthians 15:45,47: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hey Vanessa,

    The word Godhead is in the KJV three times.

    Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's. Godhead, os theios, meaning godlike, divine, divinity.

    We see this same word in 2 Peter 1:3-4 translated divine, referring to an attribute of God, not to God Himself.

    Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Godhead, , theiots meaning divinity, divine nature, theiotes has same meaning as theios.

    Colossians 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead. bodily. theotes meaning deity.

    My understanding, and I'm sure I am in the minority here; it refers to God's and Jesus's divine characteristics and nature. The word Godhead is used in conversation and discussion, referring to the trinity creed that I do not agree with. The divinity of Jesus the only begotten Son of God cannot be questioned. He is the beginning of creation and through Him all that is, Colossians 1:15-1 but there is many scriptures that does not support this creed.

    I could post more but I hope you can use this in your study for your own understanding, not mine. Pray and let the Holy Spirit guide you.

    God bless,

  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Richard

    You mentioned Christ as the second Adam.( 1 Cor 15:45) If Jesus is the second Adam and is also God then the first Adam also had to be God.

    They are both called the son of God. One was successful the other wasn't.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Ephesians 3:9 and John 8:58 are two good places to start. These show Christ's part in the Creation along with the Father; and His "I AM" status as God existing before Abraham. If we refer to Him as the "Son of God" then the capital letter "S" indicates acknowledgement of Deity. We also see that the Holy Spirit; which is God and Christ dwelling with us ( John 14:23) is promised to remind us of sin; righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8).

    There are other verses throughout scripture; starting with the "Elohim" in Genesis where man is said to be made in "our image" ( Genesis 1:26); other verses in Psalms about the presence of the Spirit or Christ ( Proverbs 8) since the beginning further prove this point. 1 Peter 1:2 shows all 3 parts of the Godhead; and that is repeated many other places. Perhaps the greatest proof to many is Isaiah 53 which mentions clearly that "God is with us". It is prophetic of Christ being "King of Kings" along with His sufferings and deity. It is only by divine revelation that Christ is known as being Lord and worshipped as Christ stated to Peter in Matthew 16:17. It is only by the Holy Spirit that Christ can be acknowledged (or fully understood) as coming in the flesh and any other spirit that says he didn't is not from God ( 1 John 4:2).

    Truly; the righteousness of God coming in the form of a man was the only thing that could forgive us since the fall. He had to be as the second Adam ( 1 Cor. 15:45). The completion of this is the Rapture and or resurrection where we shall be in a glorified body! What is most sobering is that although He is the first of the Firstfruits risen from the dead; He alone will bear the scars as Psalm 22:16 states that they have "pierced His hands and feet." The hatred of the Pharisees was that He claimed to be God forgiving men's sins ( Luke 5:21). Hopefully this is a good start in your search for an answer to your question.
  • Vanessa Mann on 1 John 1
    I have been trying to search the Godhead. I was raised in a church that believed that Jesus was only the Son of God.

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