1 John Chapter 1 Discussion



 
  • Marke - in Reply on 1 John 1
    1 John 1:9

    King James Version

    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    This verse proves Christians are not sinlessly perfect on earth.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Yes indeed - that is a powerful, yet comforting verse to remind us that HE IS Who He is & He WILL DO what He says. Psalm 51:17 promises us that, "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." And when that brokeness & contrition are instigated by God's Spirit & we come to the Lord wholly dependent on Jesus' shed Blood to cleanse & bring forgiveness, we can be confident that God will do as He promises & will restore His erring child. Such great Love we receive from the Father towards His very own.

    Also, whether it is coincidental or not, I took note of your moniker (EGLL), which is also the ICAO abbreviation for Heathrow Airport, London. Interesting.
  • GiGi - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Dear, Jim to equate the sinless Son of God, Jesus Christ with Adam, a created son of God who could not resist a simple command

    of God not to eat of one tree when he had many tress he could eat of, is offensive. One who is truly God cannot sin. Only Jesus

    never sinned. Only Jesus is the One and Only Divine Son of God. He is unique and solitary, being both fully God and fully Man.

    Adam was not both human and God. He is called a son of God, because He was directly created by God, without the cooperation

    of humans to conceive a child. But Adam was only a created human being. To say that either Adam and Jesus are both God or

    both only human is faulty logic. It takes faith, however, to believe Scripture that teaches that Jesus is "God with us".
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Just to take this further, Jim. I'm assuming that you're referring to Luke 3:38: "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." To remain true to the original language, the phrase "the son" (wherever it appears in the reading), is not shown in Greek. Rather, it would read, "...of Enos, which was of Seth, which was of Adam, which was of God"; as it would similarly read for the others in that passage.

    From research, one can learn that in these verses (vv24-38), the Greek word 'tou' (with the genitive) means 'belonging to'; though in Luke 3:22,23, the word 'Son' is definitely used. Why the translators chose to add "the son of" is known only to them, though I suspect that in almost all cases there was a clear line of humanity (of 'begetting') which they carried through to the beginning, that of Adam. And the fact that "the son" is shown in italics, indicates that they understood that it wasn't in the original language.

    With that aside, the 1 Corinthians chapter 15 reference by the apostle, was to show that though both Adam & Christ were alike in their 'coming' from God, their origins were totally different. Adam was created from the dust of the earth - Christ created into humanity by the Spirit of God ( Luke 1:35). The first was a product of the earth - the second a product from Heaven. True, Jesus was humanly formed & birthed & that was so, for His Coming was to be understood from the Davidic line, fulfilling the prophecies that went before Him & of course, to lay down His Life as a Sacrifice for all.

    Then to assert that "Adam is also God", would be false, as there was nothing about Adam's creation to indicate that another god was produced & then fell. But for Jesus, His Coming was from God's Presence & Being - entitling Him to be called the Son of God & also worshipped.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Dear Jim,

    This will be the last time I reply to you on this topic.

    I took ample time to show numerous verses that clearly say Jesus is God and you deny it. It sounds like your heart is closed based on your response. That is between you and God. No amount of dialog between us will likely change your mind. So, I will wish you well because you are putting your hope and trust that verses like John 1:1 are wrong. It says Jesus (the Word) is God and you believe Jesus is "not" God. It sounds like you are reading it with your own premise, THEN finding and interpreting scripture to fit your premise, rather than starting with reading scripture first with an blank slate THEN praying for understanding. Every one of your points above are answered by just reading the Bible without any filters or bias.

    While I appreciate respectul dialog up to this point, what I don't appreciate is a disingenious comment such as this "you totally ignored it." This is false. I didn't ignore anything. To try to figure out what you accused me of "ignoring" I now scrolled up to a higher comment where you posted a verse to someone else. Of course your same assumption of "ignoring" could be said about you, because you didn't respond to each of the verses like John 1:1 that I actually replied to you, not to someone else like you did.

    You also didn't respond to my question to you if you've prayed about this? Have you prayed to know the truth about Jesus and have you felt any confirmation or anything in your heart as a response? I won't characterize you as intentionally ignoring as you did to me, but it's noteworthy that you haven't responded to this important point. God bless.
  • GiGi - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Well said, Adam.

    Those who deny that Jesus is God have to pervert Scripture in ways you noted. Throughout the history of the church there have been those who deny the divinity of Jesus or His humanity. These ideas have been dealt with repeatedly over the centuries and Scripture refutes these claims and the church regards these claims as grave error. And here it emerges once again in this century. You are right to equate denying Jesus divinity with one who does not believe in Him.
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Adam

    Your opening comments are very interesting.

    The things you say of me are exactly what you are doing.

    You also didn't address the passage in 1 Cor 15:45, you totally ignored it.

    Luke 3:38 Adam is called the son of God. Jesus is compared to him.

    He is also the son of God. The two Adams. The first one failed the second one didn't.

    Jesus is now at the right hand of God and Jesus has been given all power from God.

    Jesus will reign until the last enemy is destroyed and that enemy is death.

    Then Jesus gives everything back to God and is subject to him. 1 Cor 15:28

    You say I denied Jesus divinity. What do you mean by that? Jesus is at Gods right hand.

    He is Gods son. He is in a very divine position.

    But is he God? No, he is the son of God. No ware in the scriptures is he called God the Son.

    Lets look at some of the scriptures you sent me.

    John 14:6 Consider John 5:30, 6:38, 7:16, 14:24,31

    His words were his Fathers not his own. The doctrine he spoke wasn't his. He didn't do his own will but his Fathers.

    This is why Jesus said I and my Father are one. John 10:30

    The Jews accused Jesus of saying he was God. Where did he direct them? Psalm 82:6-7

    The scripture called men gods. They were the rulers of Israel. They were Gods representatives.

    1 John 5:7 This verse is very interesting. It is not included in a number of other versions.

    These are American Standard Version, Bible in Basic English, Easy to Read Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible,

    International Standard Version, Revised Version and World English Version. Why is it not included in these versions?

    Jesus was sent and the one sending is greater then the one being sent. John 13:16

    Jesus was in the beginning with God in that God new what man was about. Man would need a saviour.

    Geneses 3:15 The seed of the woman. Before Abraham was, I Am.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Jim, just noticed your comment about denying Jesus's divinity. People try to do that from time to time, but in order to do so requires cherry picking one verse, twisting it, then ignoring the mountain of other verses in the Bible. In this case you're conflating God's son with the phrase 'sons of God' which was used in a general sense. The same unsound logic can be applied to twist anything else into what you want it to mean. It's pretty hard to deny verses like John 1:1 that clearly say Jesus is God though. It takes mental gymnastics to escape the truth of such verses. Jesus in Isaiah 7:14 is called Immanuel which literally means "God with us" but its up to each person whether they want to accept Jesus or deny Him. 1 John 2:22-24

    Do you consider yourself a Christian? To be a Christian means you follow Jesus Christ and if you don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is similar to what nonbelievers think. Some even admit who Jesus is, but still stubbornly won't accept Him. It's a spiritual battle. Matthew 7:21

    John 14:6 - No one comes to the Father (also God) but through Jesus.

    1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

    John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

    John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

    Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

    2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

    John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    John 20:28

    Pretty hard to disregard all these Biblical truths about Jesus. He became flesh and died for you. Have you tried praying and asking who Jesus is and to reveal that to you?
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    That is true what you quoted but it does not change the fact that both are called the Son of God. If they are both the Son of God they both had the same Father. If Jesus is God then Adam is also God. The difference is Adam failed.

    If Adam isn't God then neither is Jesus.

    Jesus had a human mother Adam didn't.

    Also notice in your quotation from Corinthians they are both called man.
  • Grae - in Reply on 1 John 1
    I'm with Ronald Whittemore on this , thanks Ron for your explanation . To you Vanessa , I think that u were correctly instructed , however , I urge into read the whole Bible for yourself rather than take any of our words for it . The Bible is for every one and the more u read the more u understand , read it all , not just the New . The Old is an excellent illuminator of the New . May God bless your efforts .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    1 Corinthians 15:45,47: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hey Vanessa,

    The word Godhead is in the KJV three times.

    Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's. Godhead, os theios, meaning godlike, divine, divinity.

    We see this same word in 2 Peter 1:3-4 translated divine, referring to an attribute of God, not to God Himself.

    Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Godhead, , theiots meaning divinity, divine nature, theiotes has same meaning as theios.

    Colossians 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead. bodily. theotes meaning deity.

    My understanding, and I'm sure I am in the minority here; it refers to God's and Jesus's divine characteristics and nature. The word Godhead is used in conversation and discussion, referring to the trinity creed that I do not agree with. The divinity of Jesus the only begotten Son of God cannot be questioned. He is the beginning of creation and through Him all that is, Colossians 1:15-1 but there is many scriptures that does not support this creed.

    I could post more but I hope you can use this in your study for your own understanding, not mine. Pray and let the Holy Spirit guide you.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jim - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Richard

    You mentioned Christ as the second Adam.( 1 Cor 15:45) If Jesus is the second Adam and is also God then the first Adam also had to be God.

    They are both called the son of God. One was successful the other wasn't.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Ephesians 3:9 and John 8:58 are two good places to start. These show Christ's part in the Creation along with the Father; and His "I AM" status as God existing before Abraham. If we refer to Him as the "Son of God" then the capital letter "S" indicates acknowledgement of Deity. We also see that the Holy Spirit; which is God and Christ dwelling with us ( John 14:23) is promised to remind us of sin; righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8).

    There are other verses throughout scripture; starting with the "Elohim" in Genesis where man is said to be made in "our image" ( Genesis 1:26); other verses in Psalms about the presence of the Spirit or Christ ( Proverbs 8) since the beginning further prove this point. 1 Peter 1:2 shows all 3 parts of the Godhead; and that is repeated many other places. Perhaps the greatest proof to many is Isaiah 53 which mentions clearly that "God is with us". It is prophetic of Christ being "King of Kings" along with His sufferings and deity. It is only by divine revelation that Christ is known as being Lord and worshipped as Christ stated to Peter in Matthew 16:17. It is only by the Holy Spirit that Christ can be acknowledged (or fully understood) as coming in the flesh and any other spirit that says he didn't is not from God ( 1 John 4:2).

    Truly; the righteousness of God coming in the form of a man was the only thing that could forgive us since the fall. He had to be as the second Adam ( 1 Cor. 15:45). The completion of this is the Rapture and or resurrection where we shall be in a glorified body! What is most sobering is that although He is the first of the Firstfruits risen from the dead; He alone will bear the scars as Psalm 22:16 states that they have "pierced His hands and feet." The hatred of the Pharisees was that He claimed to be God forgiving men's sins ( Luke 5:21). Hopefully this is a good start in your search for an answer to your question.
  • Vanessa Mann on 1 John 1
    I have been trying to search the Godhead. I was raised in a church that believed that Jesus was only the Son of God.
  • Suze - in Reply on 1 John 1
    My feeling is that the darkness is this world and the people of it , as opposed to people like us , Christians , who walk on the light , the light of course being Christ . Hope I explained that ok , and it's just my feeling about it .
  • Apostolic Evangelist - in Reply on 1 John 1
    My question is darkness comprehended it not, what was this darkness ??

    Dear Child of God, allow me to give you an example of darkness. So if we as Christians say I am in fellowship with Christ I have picked up my Cross and walk with Christ on the narrow road...??? So you went and Repented and was baptised and you entered the waters of Baptism defiled for you entered the waters with 3 vices out of the 7 vices that you did not remove before entering the waters You still are in darkness.....Or you did remove all 7 vices before entering the waters of Baptism but returned to satans material world for you could not give up the luxurious life style you are used to, well you are in darkness you do Not walk in the light as Christ does...We lie and do not practice the Truth....This is where the churches have deceived many Christians by entering the waters of Baptism defiled......We are not perfect nor can we be for we are in flesh but we can only try each day to be perfect so when our Fathers sees us trying so hard to remove all 7 vices from us then he allows a helping hand. Then you will feel the Light upon your heart full of joy is all you feel....And this is when you will receive the Gifts of the Spirit

    .God bless The Grace of our Father God be with you...
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hello Jarome. I'm sure that you'll be greatly blessed in your meticulous study of the Gospel of John & for the many Truths that reveal more of Christ contained therein.

    As you have read from the first verse in the Gospel, the subject is Jesus. And John develops on this: that from the very beginning (from eternity), God's Word was intrinsically a part of the Godhead. All things were made by Him (i.e. from the Word proceeding from the Mouth of God). And in this Word there was life: not only giving out those words that gave life, but the Word to be made flesh would be the giving of life itself. And this Life would shine to all men (especially those in that day), but they never saw that Light - they saw the Man Jesus but they continued to live in the absence of His Light - in darkness, shutting their eyes & mind to the Light from God.

    Even now, we can see how people without the Light of Christ, live in spiritual darkness - most even believing that their darkness is actually light. Jesus spoke of this in Matthew 6:23 b: "...If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!". What men see as light (their knowledge & mental prowess, creative abilities, power over others, etc.), Jesus says that without Him, they are still living in darkness. They might do well on Earth (in their lifetimes), but what will all that matter when eternity calls upon them? But when those abilities are coupled with spiritual light, love for God & for His Son, & a submission to Him only, then they can truly experience "the light of life" ( John 8:12). And so John the Baptist came bearing witness of that Light (one could say, he came shining the flashlight of God's great Plan - until the radiant Light of His Son would appear to all). Unfortunately, as you know, most having seen that Light, still preferred to live in darkness (in sin, following traditions, even trusting the Law & their heritage to save them). But some came to the Light, basked in it & found freedom.
  • T Levis - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Matthew 6:23, Job 10:22, 1John 2:11, Exodus 10:21, Isaiah 8:22, Jeremiah 13:16,

    John 1:5 also prophetic of Isaiah 60:2, if crucifixion isn't dark, I don't know what time is. Ephesians 5:11,

    Isaiah 5:20, John 12:46,

    Isaiah 6:8-10, Mark 4:12, also prophecy, fulfilled

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Jarome Powe - in Reply on 1 John 1
    John the first chapter it says Jesus is the light that shined in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not, what was this darkness?? Could it be people who don't believe???I'm studying the book john with a fine tooth comb, cause what to know exactly what it's message is, I'm trying to relive this thing as if I was there myself. I'm on fire for it.
  • Jerome Powe on 1 John 1
    My question is darkness comprehended it not, what was this darkness ??
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hello Joyce. I'm not sure of the reference you're thinking of, but when we look at examples such as Psalm 73:26 or Lamentations 3:24, the phrase that God is "my portion", speaks of God being their 'possession'. This demonstrates by the Psalmist & Jeremiah (in Lamentations), that God was their special possession Who provided them with the confidence & strength to face whatever the uncertain future held for them.
  • Joyce Smith on 1 John 1
    What does it mean "my portion"
  • D W L on 1 John 1:8
    John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 - As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 - I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 - I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 - Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

    Read all the chapter verse 8-26
  • Jean Coggins on 1 John 1:8
    "For God sent no his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world THROUGH HIM might be SAVED.
  • M.M. on 1 John 1:8
    Faith Trust Life

    All are forgiven
  • Christian Baiiley on 1 John 1
    I have feel like Hannah and feel like for ever and been for a husband! Do u think he will bless be with marriage ,and husband,and children , house ?? I have been try look for man love for me not else.
  • Buddy Ard on 1 John 1
    Explain chapter one of first john
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 1 John 1
    Hi Mona.

    I believe it means to Look closely upon, to examine or observe.

    Greek:

    Transliteration: theaomai

    Pronunciation: theh-ah'-om-ahee

    Definition: A prolonged form of a primary verb; to look closely at that is (by implication) to perceive (literally or figuratively); by extension to visit : - behold look (upon) see. Compare G3700 .

    I hope that helps.

    God bless.


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