1 Corinthians Chapter 5 Discussion

  • Mark Valesano - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    ELB, thanks for your message. I stand by the phrase "doing our (my) best to follow Him every day". Following Jesus is not easy and won't be in this realm. Adam took care of that and you and I and all of mankind have been paying the price of sin ever since. That's why He asked in Luke 6, why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things I say? He then goes on to say those who hear my sayings and does them are like the man who built his house on the rock. Then there's Ananias in Acts 9 who was told to go pray for Saul/Paul that He might show him those things Paul must suffer for His name.

    Finally, in Romans 7:14-25, Paul relates the 'battle' that happens every day in all of us. The spirit versus the flesh. Thank God I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. But I have to persevere and not wander off or go back to the former self prior to conversion as Demas did to Paul in 2 Tim. 4:10. You're right when you say it's not my strength or ability, but Jesus. I have to choose Him daily. Not to be born again, mind you, but determined to follow Him, no matter what. I don't want to be like those who left following Him as recorded in John 6:66. Thanks for your time...
  • Brother Mark:

    I have a question?

    Is the best you can do, good enough?

    Maybe it's not our doing, but Christ's doing.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .... Christ in you .....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) working in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into HIS (Christ's) REST, he has ceased from his WORKS .....

    We are the BODY, Christ is the LIFE.

    Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations ....

    God Bless You!
  • Mark Valesano - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Bad company corrupts good character ( 1 Cor. 15:33) or a bad apple spoils the bunch. Have a good day, my brother.
  • Mark Valesano - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Good morning, Alex N. I think I become more amazed every day at the willingness of people of the faith (Christians) to ignore Scripture. Church discipline, judging, or any other topic that poses a 'problem' or uneasiness for us should be avoided at all costs tends to be the rule of thumb. What is Peter writing about in 1 Peter 4? Judgment must begin in the house of God. What do you think that means? Read the verses preceding it. God's house should always be a house of order. I'm not declaring it's perfect, of course not, for it's full of those of us doing our best to follow Him every day. Again, it's about those who declare a lifestyle of sin and still want the security of God's forgiveness and Heaven at the same time. God doesn't play that and never will. Jesus can't be your or anyone's Savior unless He's your Lord ( Romans 10:13). Don't forget the man Jesus healed at the pool of Bethesda in John 5, read the admonition Jesus gave him in v. 14. God makes us responsible for the gift of His salvation or healing. That's what repentance is all about.

    As for the woman 'caught' in adultery, somehow they forgot to bring the man forth that she was with. I think when Jesus stooped down to write on the ground, Deuteronomy 22:22-24 may have been what He was writing. Sad how people always try to catch God on a technicality to serve their purpose or beliefs.

    The Bible declares that we should study to show ourselves approved unto God, a worker that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15). Trust me when I say that I make myself transparent with the Bible class I oversee. I point more fingers at myself than anyone, because I know that no good thing dwells in me save for Christ and His Spirit. The other part of my responsibility is to point to those who want to compromise their walk with God of the dangers that they are subjecting themselves to. I encourage you to reread 1 Cor. 5 and 6, Gal. 6:1-10, and 2 Tim. 3 (especially v. 5).
  • Alex N - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Mark love ya my Bro....But we should not Judge ,..Remember Jesus forgave the woman taken in Adultry...The woman taken in Adultry is everybody we all sin and come short of the Glory of God..Any thing not of faith is SIN.

    .....We all go a whoring after materialistic things....Jesus said if we even look at a woman with adultry in our hearts we have commited Adultry Already in our hearts....and minds

    .....When Jesus wrote on the ground a 2 nd time in the presence of the them that had the stones....It was just prophetic that he is gonna write in our hearts the 2 nd Advent that 2 nd covenant ....The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (That New Covenant) has made us free from the law of sin and death...Thus there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the SPIRIT.

    ......But in the end he is gonna pour out his spirit on ALL FLESH...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and FIRE That refiners fire and fullers soap a cleasing fire... Mal 3 : 2 ...Anybody whos name is not written in his book will be cast unto the lake of fire...Which is Our old Adamic nature who is in rank with Satan who is not written in his book...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off which is in rank with Satan....Thats y Jesus is saying every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire...Thats everybody

    ......Our right hand takes his orders from our old adamic nature our carnal minds that is in rank with Satan....Thus its our carnal minds that is gonna be cut off....ok lemme go...I pray for your church Mark that Jesus wd sow a good seed in all your members hearts resulting in the birth of Christ in all of you....Thats y he has to KNOW US thats when the good seed will be sown in our hearts....Thats the New covenant i will know them all from the least to the greatest....Thats y Isaiah was saying KNOWLEDGE SHALL COVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEAS...Thats everybody... Isaiah 11
  • Alex N - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Suze GBU that was a good remark you made about Jesus not wanting anybody to know him....Thats y he always spoke in parables...It was not time for his children to be born which are SPIRITS...The H.G...The H.G. was not yet given simply b/c Christ was not yet Glorified....Thats y he told the woman if thou knewest the gift of God etc...which is the H.G. that CHILD OF PROMISE...His offspring, ..The Children of Promise...Had he not spoke in parables they wd have all conceived by hearing his voice the good seed..But is was not time for the kingdom to come....When the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed...The contents of the book that new Covenant..God says he will KNOW US ALL when the New Covenant is meditated..When the book is opened... Jeremiah 31 : 34...and revelation 5

    .....That Woman in Revelation 12 : 5 is the world that is giving birth b/c of his seeds the words of that book in the fathers right hand... Revelation 12 :10 ...Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman has given birth to the manchild which is the H.G. that Children of Promise and the Woman is the world b/c Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown, in our hearts.

    .....Jesus was telling this Samaritian woman of a another baptism of the H.G. That well of water that springs up unto everlasting life...Which is the gift of God ...An internal washing of our hearts....When Jesus said whosoever drinks of this water thats water baptism which will not quench our thirst for Salvation...But when he told her of the gift of God thats the baptism of PROMISE THE H.G...When we will neva thrist again for salvation....which is the H.G that Child of Promise...A baby Christ in us via his seed..That Womans Child that is gonna rule all nations...The world.

    ......This new covenant is very different then the old covenant...God says he will KNOW US ALL which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in ALL of us....Thats y Isaiah said that KNOWLEDGE shall cover th earth
  • Dav47 - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Part 2; Bible speaks often of gossipers, sounds like your Study group needs to spend more time on studying the WORD of GOD instead of judging and gossiping about this woman. This is what is meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34, people chattering in church, no gender here. Repent and let her study the WORD in peace for I ask you who committed the bigger sin?
  • Dav47 - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    You are indeed judging in my opinion. In the eyes of GOD they are married. Just because they don't have a piece of paper stating they are married, doesn't mean that they are not. When 2 come together making a commitment to each other they become 1. Fornication is different, this is when people don't make a commitment to each other but go out every Friday night looking for a different partner. Whenever a man spreads his skirt over a woman they became man and wife in the eyes of GOD ( Exodus 22:16). Quit judging her and study, rightly dividing the WORD.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Thanks Mark, for sharing with us this sad account. This is always a difficult area to deal with; the fact that she still wants to attend your Bible study & Church fellowship, may indicate she is trying to mitigate her sin, seeking God's Approval, by her being faithful to the 'Church'. She might even be giving that little extra in the offering plate. Unfortunately, each one of us has different perceptions as to how to live this Christian life. And as much as you're using the Bible to teach it, when it comes to applying it to the situation we're actually in, the distinction of right & wrong can sometimes become blurred, especially if we're out of step with the Spirit. Since she has co-habited previously, this will have 'softened' her once strong stand to never be repeated again, in her present relationship.

    You have corrected her, the Word of God is being given her, & even the warning of Divine Discipline if the situation is not rectified. It's up to the Elders as to how to deal with her, but that too might be hard, if they are not inclined to do so or other matters of 'sin' are allowed to exist within the congregation. And I don't believe that you're judging her; God's Word needs to be shared in love & applied with all urgency, but as sinners ourselves, the Word is ever before us all, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." And how many 'great' men have fallen because of their supposed infallibility. But we must remain prayerful & confident, that our work has been done - it is only the Spirit of God Who can speak intimately to her heart & grant her help & fortitude in this matter, restoring to full fellowship with the Lord.
  • Mark Valesano on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    In 1 Corinthians 5 and to a lesser degree, 2 Thess. 3:6-7, references are made to those who are disorderly or rebellious in nature. within the body of Christ. Church discipline in the 21st century is, for the most part, avoided or willingly ignored. I teach a Bible study group at our church and have a woman who years ago forsook living with her then-boyfriend after feeling conviction from a sermon she heard. Her repentance was evidence to us of her willingness to follow Christ. Then, several years after that and a new preacher taking over the pulpit at our church, she got a new boyfriend and subsequently moved in with him. Today she attends church regularly and continues to come to my Bible study before the regular church service. I have had conversations with her about her current lifestyle and the truth that she is no longer following Jesus, just her desires. Her end will not be the kingdom of God. She has said she wants to marry, but he (boyfriend) hasn't felt the need to.

    The Word of God is full of those who had to make very difficult decisions to obey and follow God, no matter what. My wife reminded me that I should not 'judge' her since I sin every day too. I reminded her that's true, but the difference is the fact that my daily sins/transgressions vary in nature and frequency. The sins of those described in Corinthians and Thessalonians involve a lifestyle choice and a flagrant disregard for the things (commands, ordinances) of God. Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also. I'm trying to contact our Pastoral staff and find out what they recommend. Personally, I think this calls for tough love. Matthew 13 refers to Christ's parable of the wheat and tares. Maybe this is the one that leaves an 'out' for those uncomfortable with the topic of church discipline. May God help us and enlighten us by His Holy Spirit to learn the differences and proper utilization of them within the church itself.
  • Amarin - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    James 1:4

    But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    In the Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894 Bible translation of the above passage, the Greek word for patience is (Strong's Concordance G5281) which means "endurance."
  • Patricia J Reeves on 1 Corinthians 5
    What are the verses about patience?
  • Michael homan - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    God Bless You also Lauren

    Thankyou very much.
  • Lauren - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    Thank you Michael... that really spoke to me. God Bless You.
  • Michael homan on 1 Corinthians 5
    To expound on the subject,in addition to other Nice comment

    Of When a person feels in there heart,they have trespassed like,direct to God.

    And would like to do something about it.and to know the results.. Real Good thing one can do is a 'Fast for Forgiveness'

    Discovered that during a fast,a person is like building a foundation/structure or adding to one

    After the fast.the person receives the reward,reaction to it all

    God with his Mysterious ways n Powers,Transforms.Humility into Royalty,Grace,Understanding...thats the Reward

    While the fast is going on, Weekness is Transformed into Strength..its powerful

    Experienced,when a person wants something extra from God

    Really helps to do something extra for him

    not to keep on, couple other's on this expounded subject

    Its not what goes into a person that defile n corrupts.its what comes out

    another is,Loose lips sink ships..not biblical but God owns evrything..ha

    He can raise a ship from the bottom midst of the sea, make it stronger then ever
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    My apologies.
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:5
    We all make mistakes. Just be quick to apologize to the Lord.

    I had to separate myself from tv shows with "loose mouth" disease. I watch PBS lol.

    I enjoy some FM Christian Radio when I clean the house.

    It's called Sanctification. Type it in the Search Box.
  • Does this mean if we badmouth god we're subject to same punishment?
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    Dear Fred,

    It sounds like you interpret my providing someone with scripture as a 'veer away from scripture' and I don't know why you assume that. I first recommended scripture- Paul's writings. Then I recommended the page which has even more scripture- someone already did a lot of work pulling all the verses together. Then I included 2 more scriptures. Maybe total the info has dozens of scripture for him to look at, so I don't understand the accusation of 'veer away from scripture.'

    As someone who spends lots of time trying to help people it's hard to see baseless criticism especially in place that's supposed to be uplifting. Your response didn't have any scripture so you have a stronger case against yourself. "Gods or mans?" God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    Hello Vance. In everything regarding the Church, one clear instruction given by Paul is found in Acts 20:28 is, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

    Because of the value of every child of God, the pastoral care, control, guidance, teaching & love given to them are so important. As Paul instructed the Ephesian Elders to "take heed" (or, be very mindful) of yourselves in both their personal & ministerial lives, so also they must not to disregard the "flock" for which God had given them responsibility. Paul was thinking more about some men entering into the Church bringing in "damnable heresies" & leading the innocent unlearned members away. Yet, the elders' responsibilities extended much more to all areas of Church life.

    1 Corinthians chapter 5 tells us of Paul's grief over a horrible sin found in the Church there. Even though Paul couldn't be everywhere to administer discipline, the elders were expected to identify & deal with any problem in the Church, especially sin. The elder (or, pastor), must view his congregation as Christ's flock, & the great responsibility that Jesus has bestowed on him. Just as a flock of sheep need the constant sound of the shepherd's voice, a strong prod with the staff, or even chasing the straying sheep to bring it back to the fold, so too must God's servant be diligent to know his 'sheep' & to bring back erring ones.

    When the 'sheep' know that they're loved, cared for & will be guided aright, they will respond as if Christ Himself is speaking with them. The elder/pastor needs to let the erring ones know that he is aware of their sin. He needs to bring them together to deal with the problem, in the spirit of love, meekness & for restoration. They need to be taught & warned from God's Word. And if they refuse to listen, they need to be separated, even for a time ( 1 Corinthians 5:6,7).
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    It seems that when we veer away from scripture, the wisdom and knowledge also become a little out of reach! Even using "got Questions" although ok, I am learning the importance of staying locked into the word! At times it may seem "monotonous". it is perhaps an indication that the next limb is about to evolve! The tree takes awhile, remembering what strengthens the roots is not always easy! Such is the world, God is in charge! Precisely in and through His words! This 2 is how the church will evolve, whos church it will be will remain too be seen! Gods or mans?
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    Dear Vance,

    That is a good question to ask. It seems a kind of balance needs to be made, because all have sinned and fall short. Yet, deliberate sinning while claiming to be a Christian following Jesus is incongruent ( 1 John 1:6). And deliberate sinning that is apparent within the church is especially toxic to the church body.

    Paul in the Bible dealt with this when he wrote letters to the churches. He seemed frustrated with them to a degree. Paul admitted his own struggles with the flesh as well.

    How should sin in the church be handled? It probably depends on the circumstance. I would recommend searching the internet for "How should sin in the church be handled?" and clicking on the Got Questions website. I believe they have solid Bible-based answers that might be helpful.

    And of course most importantly, pray to God. Ask for wisdom and discernment on how best to minister to your church body. Also, it shouldn't all fall upon you. You need deacons and helpers so this doesn't all fall on you. I believe there is a higher standard for leaders in the church body and no one should serve as a leader who is being immoral. 1 Timothy 3:8-13

    God bless you and your church!
  • Vance njarita on 1 Corinthians 5
    How can deal with immorality people in the church as a Pastor?
  • Victor on 1 Corinthians 5
    how to understand leaven, unleavened, old leaven here?
  • Rod - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    In Acts 9:3 it says he came near Damascus when the light from heaven shone round about him, so how far was he from Damascus, a short distance or a longer distance, or how he got to Ananias in Damascus, we don't know, I don't believe any of that matters, as the real message of Acts 9 is the conversion of Saul the persecutor of the church to Paul the apostle of the church, Paul states this in 1 Corinthians 15:9 "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

    Also, when the Lord spoke to Ananias in a vision, Ananias answered about all the evil that Saul had done in Jerusalem, but the Lord's reply was in Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

    I know that this doesn't clarify your question but I pray that this helps.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    Jerry, Google shows me that the distance from Jerusalem to Damascus is about 150 miles, give or take. For a person to travel that distance by foot would take him about two weeks. Now considering the urgency of the matter on Saul's mind to speedily go to Damascus with his arrest warrants & haul back the Christians to Jerusalem for trial & death, I would think (& this is not in Scripture), that he would have had to travel by donkey or may even be by a chariot, carriage or cart to get there speedily. But if his only means of travel was on the back of a donkey, then that beast would have needed to be a sprightly animal so as to not delay Saul's important mission. Just my thoughts.
  • Jerry - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    I'm sorry ,but that still does not clarify it for me. Because a person can arise from the ground if they are walking or riding an animal if they fell off.

    I need more clarification. I had also considered that verse before hand.


  • Rod - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    I believe that Acts 9 verse 8 answers that,

    "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus."
  • JERRY LANIER on 1 Corinthians 5
    My question is :

    was saul riding a donkey or walking on the road to damascus ?
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5
    No, bowel movement is not mentioned nor implied in the Bible, but we do often see an archaic use of this word 'bowel' in both the Old & New Testaments. I wonder whether this is what you're referring to. If so, then the general understanding of this word is 'one's innermost being, or from the heart, & in some cases refers to the womb & other applications'.

    You can check these Scriptures: Genesis 25:23 (the womb); Genesis 43:30 (the heart's yearnings); 2 Samuel 20:10 (the inner bodily parts, such as intestines, stomach, etc.); Philippians 2:1 (love & compassion); etc. So, it is word that has several meanings & applications, but one we wouldn't use now, rather using a word more specific to our intention.

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