1 Corinthians Chapter 4 Discussion



 
  • PAUL DAVID PERKINS on 1 Corinthians 4
    I love jesus, and you too. smile ***
  • Ronnie B McCants on 1 Corinthians 4
    Are Jesus and Jehovah the same being?
  • Victor on 1 Corinthians 4
    1 Corinthians Chapter 4:15

    how to understand "ten thousand instructors, ... not many fathers" here?

    who are instructors and fathers?
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    Hello Victor. In support of this verse 15, the apostle has gone to some length to remind the Corinthian Church of his position among them: though as an apostle to them & one who brought the Gospel to Corinth, his status was just the opposite than what would be expected. He, as the other apostles were actually very deprived of life's offerings (vv 9-13) being made the "filth of the world & are the offscouring of all things"; & they bore these things because of the Gospel & the relationship they had to those who received it.

    Paul had come to Corinth during his second missionary journey (around AD 50) & through his ministry the Church was formed. The Church during his absence would have had elders appointed, and those with gifts of teaching & ministry had input into their lives. The word for "instructors" in Greek is 'paidagogos', which is rendered 'tutors, teachers, guardians'. Paul uses hyperbole in saying "ten thousand instructors..not many fathers", which of course means that the Church wasn't deficient in that area (though as it would be the case, that some there would have taught error). In spite of being so equipped & rich in substance (v 8), they had only one father in the Gospel because it was only through his ministry & his love & care for them, that gave him that familial right which no other could claim.

    And then in verse 16, he says, "be ye followers of me". I detect that because of the internal division & wranglings within the Church, Paul again states that as a father who brought them the Truth (i.e. birthed Christ in them), to follow his teaching & example & not give place to anyone else who teaches otherwise. And to this end, he had sent Timothy to them.
  • Kathy Baldwin on 1 Corinthians 4
    Do we have the holy spirit in us, when we accept Christ as our savior?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    Kathy, may the Spirit grace you with His wisdom and His understanding.

    2 Corinthians 1:22 Who (Christ) has SEALED us, and given us the earnest (down payment) of the Spirit in our heart.

    Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel (CHRIST IN YOU) of your salvation: in whom also after that you BELIEVED, you were SEALED with the holy Spirit of promise.

    (vs 14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    At the redemption (the death of the body of flesh) you will be given the Spirit without measure and a glorified body.

    1 Peter 1:21 Who (you) by him (Christ) do BELIEVE in God, that raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; that your FAITH (CHRIST) and hope might be in God.

    CHRIST IN YOU

    Galatians 2:16 .....but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by his faith) in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the FAITH of Jesus Christ.....

    Romans 8:29 For whom (you) he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (CHRIST IN YOU) might be the first born of MANY BROTHERS.
  • Mary lyn - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    The Bible from Romans - Jude are written to the people /churches that came from the book of Acts. These are those that are saved, baptized & Holy Ghost filled.
  • Halleanna Gordon on 1 Corinthians 4
    Amen in Jesus name
  • Nate1966 on 1 Corinthians 4
    I love these chapters one my flesh and all flesh is prideful if we know anything spiritual it was revealed by God through his Spirit He wants us to be unified we are nothing God makes the increase Help me to stay humble

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  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    John Chapter 19

    25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

    26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

    27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home .
    Do you not get that figures of speech are not satanic changes in the Bible.
    Jesus knew Mary was NOT the mother of John and yet he said Behold thy Mother
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    Timothy was Paul's SON in the faith. Mark Chapter 3: 32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
    33 And he (Jesus) answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
    34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
    35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
  • Lisa M - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 4
    Thank you for your response, What I'm talking about are changes being made to the KJV Bible. In this instance, it used to say Brother. Yes I get the figure of speech of course. There are numerous changes. Take John 3:16 for one: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (should not) perish, but have everlasting life. It originally said: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him "shall not" perish, but have everlasting life." Should and Shall are two different meanings. There are others but probably should be talked about on the right thread according to the right book.
  • Verse 7~We can only reflect the things that we have been given so no one has the right to boast in anything. All good things come from Jehovah God.
  • RE: 1Cor. 4:3-5...Perhaps this is reminder to NOT judge ea other or oneself, because perhaps Paul is fully aware of the job that 'accuser of the brethren' already does, by accusing the brethren n ourselves before God day n night, it says. We need to remember who n whose we are in Christ!
  • 1 Cor 4:15 We need more Fathers to disciple the younger generation of people coming into the churches...like I heard once, a Shepherd has to be able to get close enough to the sheep to get ticks off..Paul n Jesus n gang hung out in homes 2gether, no clicks, no programs-1 big happy fam of God..knew ea other by name! The division 2day is sad..They"ll know were His disciples by our love! Not knowledg
  • 1 Corinthians 4: 3-5 are some of the MOST freeing verses I think I've read! It's telling us stop judging each other n ourselves because we don't know the motives for our actions, n only G-d sees our hearts, our intent! What a merciful heavenly Father! And speaking of Fathers, I also love verse 15, where I believe he is expounding on the importance of relationship in churches, not just pew warming!
  • Eugene on 1 Corinthians 4
    I'm trying to read KJV. Really strange words 'the filth of the world' are worth thinking about. We, "the best of the world" can be 'the filth', or, thinking about ourselves too high can't see anything, that we are loved, and only look and ask for 'carnal'.? Funny. Let's look for meekness withourt spirit - and we will find arrogance, How to understand and interiorate these words. Thank you.
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    Amen Brother, Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
  • Douglas Gilbert Wells on 1 Corinthians 4
    Man most does not like being corrected at any time. But that is what our Heavenly Father does because love us that much.
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    There is lots of teachers, pastors and preachers that preach the Word of God. We say to ourselves, who are we going to trust. Apostle Paul said, trust him. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
  • A disciple on 1 Corinthians 4
    Ray; Paul didn't want anyone to think he was an angel; but he was commending the eager and reverent reception he received from the Corinthians, because of the Word he was bringing to them. The wisdom that God gave to Paul, He is willing to give to you too; and the way all the Prophets and Apostles knew the Lord, and wrote of Him; He will give to you also, when you follow on with God like they did.
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. If Paul wants us to think of him like a Angel of God, that is saying a lot who Paul is. The Word speaks for it self. Praise the Lord.
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel paul said my gospel. That means ,Pual follow Jesus and we follow for our Apostle today, Amen. I speak to all that want to know the truth in the Word.
  • A disciple on 1 Corinthians 4
    Ray321; Again! Paul IS NOT the one we are supposed to follow, as if to have less or no respect for ALL the Lord's servants. Paul was truly a mighty man of God, and appointed a high place of authority, for the extension of the Lord's kingdom. But NO MAN is supposed to be set up exclusively as our leader, but the Lord Jesus Christ; and all the rest of us are brethren; some great some small. Jn 1:36!
  • Ray321 on 1 Corinthians 4
    1 Corinth 4:15-16 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. Paul was warning believers not to just trust anybody with the gospel. Paul was the one that was teaching the gospel the way Jesus wanted him to do. That's why Paul said follow me.
  • Verse 4 shows that we may not be aware of some of our faults, but that does not mean we don't have them. God is our judge and we want to find out what his standards of right and wrong are.
  • Jeffrey on 1 Corinthians 4
    Bottom line is growing in the knowledge of the truth which can only be revealed by the Holy Spirit and then one day you graduate just like high school... like Paul said its no longer I that Lives but is Christ that lives... meaning he doesn't leave he stays that's having the mind of Christ.. don't let nobody fool you its true its a permanent event check out 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 Awesome


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