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Originally I wrote a post saying that trying to show that "shall be made alive" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 is more than just physical resurrection may be trying to prove too much. But I was wrong.
The word translated "shall be made alive" zoopoiethesontai is derived from a word that is used in the New Testament for being resurrected or quickened to eternal life. Here are the other passages that use derivatives of this word:
John 5:21
John 6:63
Romans 4:17
Romans 8:11
1 Corinthians 15:36
1 Corinthians 15:45
2 Corinthians 3:6
Galatians 3:21
1 Peter 3:18
This word cannot mean life common to all men living and moving and having their being in Christ, nor can it mean simply resurrection to either eternal life or the second death. Under this meaning I am persuaded that the word "all" in 1 Corinthians cannot be an unlimited universal "all" and in both instances where it is used in this passage it is limited by the words "in Adam" and "in Christ". "In Christ" appears to be used in this passage by Paul in a similar way to the way he uses that phrase and the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians.
Ephesians 1:2-4,7,10,13,20
Ephesians 2:6-7,10,13,20-22
Ephesians 3:6,11-12
Ephesians 4:32
This also suggests that "all men" in Romans 5:18 is limited by the "one man" being referenced, either Adam or Christ.
The connection that Adam and Christ share in common with the "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:8 has several different interpretations that have been offered. Personally I believe there is a federal headship connection. "Things done by one may be imputed unto others, propter relationem foederalem, because of a covenant relation between them." Hodge
I also believe Adam and Christ are uniquely qualified and appointed by God to be the first fruits of their respective seed. No other human beings can be presented before God in the way they can.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Of course I believe that all men inherit the sin nature from Adam, but nobody is condemned to hell forever for Adam's sin. Sinners are condemned to hell for their own sin. There is a difference.
God rebuked those who misrepresented the truth by claiming God was judging them for the sins of others, including their fathers (Adam was the father of sinners). In Ezekiel 18 He rebuked the claim that "the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.
I'm not saying that not all men will be resurrected. I am saying that nobody goes to hell for Adam's sin but all humans will die physically because of the sin they inherited from Adam.
The verb tense for "die" is Present Indicative Active, but the verb tense for "shall be made alive" is Future Indicative Passive.
The future indicative expresses the occurrence of an action in future time.
The passive voice implies that the subject did not initiate that action or state, but is the recipient of it.
Living and moving and having my being in Christ should not need to wait until a future event occurs and I feel reasonably active with Christ in those things now, especially moving, along with everyone else if this is talking about the curent state of being alive that is experienced by believers and unbelievers alike. Seems strange to suddenly bring that up in the middle of a chapter entirely devoted to defending the doctrine of the necessity of Christ's resurrection and doubter questions about the nature and future state of believers following the resurrection.
Saying 1 Corinthians 15:22 isn't the resurrection is ridiculous. Here is that passage in context.
1 Corinthians 15:17-24
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
"shall be made alive" is the resurrection dude. And ALL mankind will be resurrected by Christ by the end of verse 24, either to eternal life or the lake of fire.
Out of context you can make a verse say anything, and you have done that here.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This verse does not mean that every sinner born on earth will go to hell any more than it means every sinner born on earth will be made alive in Christ. However, every sinner now on earth lives, moves, and has his being because of Christi just as ever human who ever lived or lives now will experience death in the flesh because of Adam.
John 3 tells us that sinners who do not believe in Jesus are already condemned. Why are they condemned, because they were born of Adam? No, they are condemned because they have not believed in Jesus. God does not condemn sinners to hell for the sins of others, but for their own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
May I ask a few questions? How far go you travel on the sabbath? Do you eat on the sabbath? When is it prepared? If there is a accident or sickness do you go to a Dr or Hospital on the sabbath? Would you call a policeman on the sabbath?
I eat at home on Sunday but travel a longer distance going to church. I don't go shopping or work more than necessary. If a family member is in a hospital we leave them until released. I don't worship days. Just interested.
Yes, I have just read the book of Galatians, again. I know that Paul was having trouble with the Pharisees in particular about wanting Paul's converts to be circumcised, according to the law of Moses. That is where they sent a delegation to Jerusalem, to James and Peter, and the other Apostles. Both sides presented their case there. After much discussion, Peter rose up and told his story of how he was led to go to the house of Cornelious, who was not a Jew, for it was an unwritten law that Jews were not to go to non-Jewish homes. Once there Peter saw how the Holy Spirit had worked with Cornelious's family, and could only agree to spend time with them, teaching them all the more. Thus, it was decided that Paul's converts did not have to be circumcised, as was not Cornelious's family was not either.
Thus the book of Galations refers to Paul's teaching that his converts, by way of them having not to be circumcised, were to be followed, and no other gospel/teachings of others, was to be followed.
In no way does Galations mention God's Ten Commandments, which were written in stone, signifying that they were never be changed. Have you read Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law."
God, the Most High, is never caught "flat-footed" so to speak. Back in the time of Daniel, He knew that there would be a power that would in the future "think" to change God's Law,l that dealt with time". God's laws can never be changed, only man can think to change His holy Law.
Of God's Ten Commandments what is the only Law that deals with time? It is the Fourth Commandment. In it noting that God states that it Sabbath is His Holy Day! And is the only one that starts with the word "Remember" which Satan has prompted man to try to forget! See Exodus 20:8-11. (And Ex. 16:14-35).
Jesus Christ speaks of people trying to make void the Commandments of God, with the people's traditions. I speak of people today who keep- the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church, by Sunday keeping (Usually an hour, not a day) and try to make void the Fourth Commandment, to: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work (10) but the seventh day is the Sabbath if the Lord your God. In it, you shall do no work, you nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. (11) For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
You see in the Forth Commandment we have the information as to who the other nine belong. For in the Forth Commandment we have the seal of God. His Name, Title, and Teritory. Just like the president of the USA. Name: Joe Biden. Title: President of the United States. And Teritory: The United States. Like so with the Forth Commandment. Name: God. Title: Creator. Teritory: Heaven and Earth. And interestingly enough, the only commandment that starts with "Remember" is the only one that the devil tries to get man to forget. Interestingly enough.
Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,
Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,
Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,
Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.
The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"
the population of the earth started with two single people Adam and Eve and the bible talks about their three sons Cain and Able and seth . then it goes on to imply that they had many more sons and daughters from this verses. The guy lived to be over 900 years old so he most likely had a crap load of kids.
[ Gen 5:4 KJV] 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
BUT
unfortenly all these people were wiped out by the judgement of God. God sent a global flood killing everyone expect one family a man called noah and his wife and his three sons which were married Shem, Ham, and Japheth
Thanks Carleton. Another great story of how the Lord moves in both the unsaved & witnessing Christian to bring about the salvation of the lost. What we might think as of little consequence in sharing our lives or time with another, can reap mighty results in the Hands of God. This story should renew our desire to share whatever we can, however mediocre, for the blessing of others.
I was up close to seeing a born again experience happen in now a brother from reading a children's bible story book. This person came to the US with another language as his own to see what happened to his older brother who had been born again here while travelling. This older couple used the children's bible story book in morning devotions with this young man for several months because he could understand the simple English words with the pictures. One morning he suddenly understood his present position in God as a sinner and by faith reached out to Jesus for salvation and was renewed in the Lord's Spirit. He walked a different life and understanding with peace with God and man from that day on. He has raised a Christian family where children now are also born again. All from a simple country older couple using a bible story book for he and through him others to be saved.
Hello Richard. KJB Online is a public website & so for obvious reasons phone numbers & other contact information are not allowed & what others see on the Site is what I see as well. So your number wasn't published to me.
You've obviously done a lot of work in this area (& possibly others), for which you would need a Website of your own to make your work available for others to read, digest & discuss. This medium is inadequate for that type of presentation, only for relatively short sharp responses. I have sometimes used several 'pages' for a question that required a detailed response, which was deemed too 'wordy' by some. So I understand your problem; a personal Website would be the way to go & I could engage with that.
You seem to have detected my character as one who has "rejected & criticized the Glorious thingswriting obtuse & obfuscating words". I might have done so if I knew what those 'Glorious things' were. I think that you may not be aware also, that many on this Site are well read in the Scriptures, having read through the Bible several times over. To those who don't know the Word well enough, your discovery of such things might indeed pique their interest in their quest to learn more of the present & future. But for others, we already come with a solid understanding of that which is revealed & if we're presented with something that is extra-biblical (e.g. over 100 references to the U.S. in the OT), then it becomes something of a personal decision to accept or reject. Since I have very little to go on, except for the short discussion on Ephraim & Dan, I'm sorry I haven't detected anything in your comments to urge me to pursue this. Thank you for your time Richard & may you continue to enjoy the Lord's blessings.
These things are far too lengthy to type into this format allowing a max. of only 2,000 characters. Although I have over the years typed some of these things up, that total is not even probably a fourth of what I have found, to which I have anyway still probably typed up over 200,000 words....so you can see that is a problem.
Perhaps you know someone here in the States that you can phone-connect with, and then they can "conference-call" to me and I can then spend a few hours showing both of you these things(?) We could also do it in multiple calls-conversations, if you and he would like, to not be on the phone quite so long each time.
Or, if you can somehow get me your email address...since this - this at first seeming sound, good, and valuable site, but then proving to be counter-productive - will not allow folks to swap personal contact information so as to further accommodate, build, and nurture John chapter 17 Glorious True Christian relationships. Knowing of no other way to contact them, I have even written the site managers directly in this system, asking them to let me send my contact info to others; but these folks have not yet responded to me, yea or nay. (Did my phone number even get to you in the previous email? On my end here the site management apparently deleted the number, they returning to me my own writing, sending it back to me about a day later, the phone number blocked out...but, again, did my number make it through to you?)
But now, Chris - although I hope I am wrong, and that you will somehow still call me and spend the time needed on the phone to indeed prove me wrong...but I sadly now know what and who you are - you have now twice in your responses rejected and criticized the Glorious things I was telling you of, writing obtuse and obfuscating words of supposed "problems", rather than, as a True Christian would, responding with alert interest and full attempt at belief with alive excited desire to see and know these Truths.
Hello Richard. I can understand that Ephraim is seen as Joseph, but why mention Joseph, when his other son, Manasseh is mentioned separately in Rev 7? Joseph was generally seen by his sons' names, but here, Manasseh is separated, Ephraim is not mentioned, but Joseph is.
And of course, Dan is missing from Rev 7 & as you referred to Judges 5:17, "Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches." Both the territories of Dan & Asher were hard against the Mediterranean with their major ports of Joppa & Tyre respectively. You seem to have found a special answer to this, & since calling you won't be possible, you may like to share here what you have learned that is different to what Judges 5:17 indicates. As well as that mysterious verse that gives inconclusive proof to use only the KJV to the rejection of all others and the USA-in-the KJV proofs. You're keeping all of us on tenterhooks. Thank you.
I support Brother Chris in this second paragraph, when we follow this way, we have Jesus present with us always and we fall into less error and more importantly do not hinder others coming to Christ. The Bible is complete in itself, we just need to be humble believers. I am thankful how God leads in His people's gifts.
Howdy again from a while ago. I did not have enough "characters" to mention this before.
Re: the KJV translation, have you found the absolute Truth, the obscure Old Testament verse in which God makes it clear He wants those that will be True to Him to indeed use His KJV?! I have seen discussions from writers for years with all the reasons/arguments to accept and use the KJV only...and those are all well and good...accurate as far as I know...BUT!...ONE VERSE IS ALL that is EVER NEEDED!!
12 or 13 years ago I was going through a deep & detailed study of the O.T. ...and I HIT IT ONE DAY!! The moment I read it, I KNEW!! God has it right there in an otherwise obscure OT verse that says to use His KJV...and that all others should be shunned. So, I went to Bible book stores in a few different cities in my travels over the next year or two; and to secular book stores also, as in them I found they even carry more versions and publishers than Bible/Christian book stores do. In all this time I found about a dozen-and-a-half other versions...and all were wrong... none had it like the KJV.
Then, knowing there were more than just those roughly 18, I spent a good bit of time finding all I could on-line, which came to a total of 35 more, now equaling 53 non-KJV's. So that was a total of 54...and all the other 53 are God-taught to be, at best, shunned or very, very cautiously used - and that is only maybe 2 or 3 of them - while all else are versions from which a person CANNOT EVEN BE SAVED.
Now, no personal criticism intended, Chris, but I would imagine I am correct when I say that, until I also show you that AWESOME, AWESOME, verse - which I later realized IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOWS AND PROVES AMERICA IN THE BIBLE - you will certainly have a hard time believing this I say! And since that time a dozen years ago...I have found several more KJV-only & USA-in-the KJV proofs. So, as per that prior email, call me and I will gladly show you! Richard
The word translated "shall be made alive" zoopoiethesontai is derived from a word that is used in the New Testament for being resurrected or quickened to eternal life. Here are the other passages that use derivatives of this word:
John 5:21
John 6:63
Romans 4:17
Romans 8:11
1 Corinthians 15:36
1 Corinthians 15:45
2 Corinthians 3:6
Galatians 3:21
1 Peter 3:18
This word cannot mean life common to all men living and moving and having their being in Christ, nor can it mean simply resurrection to either eternal life or the second death. Under this meaning I am persuaded that the word "all" in 1 Corinthians cannot be an unlimited universal "all" and in both instances where it is used in this passage it is limited by the words "in Adam" and "in Christ". "In Christ" appears to be used in this passage by Paul in a similar way to the way he uses that phrase and the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians.
Ephesians 1:2-4,7,10,13,20
Ephesians 2:6-7,10,13,20-22
Ephesians 3:6,11-12
Ephesians 4:32
This also suggests that "all men" in Romans 5:18 is limited by the "one man" being referenced, either Adam or Christ.
The connection that Adam and Christ share in common with the "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:8 has several different interpretations that have been offered. Personally I believe there is a federal headship connection. "Things done by one may be imputed unto others, propter relationem foederalem, because of a covenant relation between them." Hodge
I also believe Adam and Christ are uniquely qualified and appointed by God to be the first fruits of their respective seed. No other human beings can be presented before God in the way they can.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Of course I believe that all men inherit the sin nature from Adam, but nobody is condemned to hell forever for Adam's sin. Sinners are condemned to hell for their own sin. There is a difference.
God rebuked those who misrepresented the truth by claiming God was judging them for the sins of others, including their fathers (Adam was the father of sinners). In Ezekiel 18 He rebuked the claim that "the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.
The verb tense for "die" is Present Indicative Active, but the verb tense for "shall be made alive" is Future Indicative Passive.
The future indicative expresses the occurrence of an action in future time.
The passive voice implies that the subject did not initiate that action or state, but is the recipient of it.
Living and moving and having my being in Christ should not need to wait until a future event occurs and I feel reasonably active with Christ in those things now, especially moving, along with everyone else if this is talking about the curent state of being alive that is experienced by believers and unbelievers alike. Seems strange to suddenly bring that up in the middle of a chapter entirely devoted to defending the doctrine of the necessity of Christ's resurrection and doubter questions about the nature and future state of believers following the resurrection.
Saying 1 Corinthians 15:22 isn't the resurrection is ridiculous. Here is that passage in context.
1 Corinthians 15:17-24
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
"shall be made alive" is the resurrection dude. And ALL mankind will be resurrected by Christ by the end of verse 24, either to eternal life or the lake of fire.
Out of context you can make a verse say anything, and you have done that here.
That is uplifting analysis.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This verse does not mean that every sinner born on earth will go to hell any more than it means every sinner born on earth will be made alive in Christ. However, every sinner now on earth lives, moves, and has his being because of Christi just as ever human who ever lived or lives now will experience death in the flesh because of Adam.
John 3 tells us that sinners who do not believe in Jesus are already condemned. Why are they condemned, because they were born of Adam? No, they are condemned because they have not believed in Jesus. God does not condemn sinners to hell for the sins of others, but for their own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
May I ask a few questions? How far go you travel on the sabbath? Do you eat on the sabbath? When is it prepared? If there is a accident or sickness do you go to a Dr or Hospital on the sabbath? Would you call a policeman on the sabbath?
I eat at home on Sunday but travel a longer distance going to church. I don't go shopping or work more than necessary. If a family member is in a hospital we leave them until released. I don't worship days. Just interested.
Thus the book of Galations refers to Paul's teaching that his converts, by way of them having not to be circumcised, were to be followed, and no other gospel/teachings of others, was to be followed.
In no way does Galations mention God's Ten Commandments, which were written in stone, signifying that they were never be changed. Have you read Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law."
God, the Most High, is never caught "flat-footed" so to speak. Back in the time of Daniel, He knew that there would be a power that would in the future "think" to change God's Law,l that dealt with time". God's laws can never be changed, only man can think to change His holy Law.
Of God's Ten Commandments what is the only Law that deals with time? It is the Fourth Commandment. In it noting that God states that it Sabbath is His Holy Day! And is the only one that starts with the word "Remember" which Satan has prompted man to try to forget! See Exodus 20:8-11. (And Ex. 16:14-35).
Please see, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17... Thanks, Robert
You see in the Forth Commandment we have the information as to who the other nine belong. For in the Forth Commandment we have the seal of God. His Name, Title, and Teritory. Just like the president of the USA. Name: Joe Biden. Title: President of the United States. And Teritory: The United States. Like so with the Forth Commandment. Name: God. Title: Creator. Teritory: Heaven and Earth. And interestingly enough, the only commandment that starts with "Remember" is the only one that the devil tries to get man to forget. Interestingly enough.
Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,
Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,
Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.
The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"
Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"
[ Gen 5:4 KJV] 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
BUT
unfortenly all these people were wiped out by the judgement of God. God sent a global flood killing everyone expect one family a man called noah and his wife and his three sons which were married Shem, Ham, and Japheth
A) Believe The GRACE Gospel ( 1 Co 15:3-4; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3-5)
B) LOVE neighbor, fulfil ALL The Law ( Gal 5:14; Rom 13:8-10)
C) Study, "Approved Unto God" ( 2 Ti 2:15; Rom 16:25; Eph 1:3-9 Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today!) Also: Link
Sun - enjoying the presence of God the Father
Moon - enjoying the presence of Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten
Stars - enjoying that degree of light (glory) in which we can each individually dwell
Thank you.
Thank you
You've obviously done a lot of work in this area (& possibly others), for which you would need a Website of your own to make your work available for others to read, digest & discuss. This medium is inadequate for that type of presentation, only for relatively short sharp responses. I have sometimes used several 'pages' for a question that required a detailed response, which was deemed too 'wordy' by some. So I understand your problem; a personal Website would be the way to go & I could engage with that.
You seem to have detected my character as one who has "rejected & criticized the Glorious thingswriting obtuse & obfuscating words". I might have done so if I knew what those 'Glorious things' were. I think that you may not be aware also, that many on this Site are well read in the Scriptures, having read through the Bible several times over. To those who don't know the Word well enough, your discovery of such things might indeed pique their interest in their quest to learn more of the present & future. But for others, we already come with a solid understanding of that which is revealed & if we're presented with something that is extra-biblical (e.g. over 100 references to the U.S. in the OT), then it becomes something of a personal decision to accept or reject. Since I have very little to go on, except for the short discussion on Ephraim & Dan, I'm sorry I haven't detected anything in your comments to urge me to pursue this. Thank you for your time Richard & may you continue to enjoy the Lord's blessings.
These things are far too lengthy to type into this format allowing a max. of only 2,000 characters. Although I have over the years typed some of these things up, that total is not even probably a fourth of what I have found, to which I have anyway still probably typed up over 200,000 words....so you can see that is a problem.
Perhaps you know someone here in the States that you can phone-connect with, and then they can "conference-call" to me and I can then spend a few hours showing both of you these things(?) We could also do it in multiple calls-conversations, if you and he would like, to not be on the phone quite so long each time.
Or, if you can somehow get me your email address...since this - this at first seeming sound, good, and valuable site, but then proving to be counter-productive - will not allow folks to swap personal contact information so as to further accommodate, build, and nurture John chapter 17 Glorious True Christian relationships. Knowing of no other way to contact them, I have even written the site managers directly in this system, asking them to let me send my contact info to others; but these folks have not yet responded to me, yea or nay. (Did my phone number even get to you in the previous email? On my end here the site management apparently deleted the number, they returning to me my own writing, sending it back to me about a day later, the phone number blocked out...but, again, did my number make it through to you?)
But now, Chris - although I hope I am wrong, and that you will somehow still call me and spend the time needed on the phone to indeed prove me wrong...but I sadly now know what and who you are - you have now twice in your responses rejected and criticized the Glorious things I was telling you of, writing obtuse and obfuscating words of supposed "problems", rather than, as a True Christian would, responding with alert interest and full attempt at belief with alive excited desire to see and know these Truths.
And of course, Dan is missing from Rev 7 & as you referred to Judges 5:17, "Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches." Both the territories of Dan & Asher were hard against the Mediterranean with their major ports of Joppa & Tyre respectively. You seem to have found a special answer to this, & since calling you won't be possible, you may like to share here what you have learned that is different to what Judges 5:17 indicates. As well as that mysterious verse that gives inconclusive proof to use only the KJV to the rejection of all others and the USA-in-the KJV proofs. You're keeping all of us on tenterhooks. Thank you.
Thank you!
Re: the KJV translation, have you found the absolute Truth, the obscure Old Testament verse in which God makes it clear He wants those that will be True to Him to indeed use His KJV?! I have seen discussions from writers for years with all the reasons/arguments to accept and use the KJV only...and those are all well and good...accurate as far as I know...BUT!...ONE VERSE IS ALL that is EVER NEEDED!!
12 or 13 years ago I was going through a deep & detailed study of the O.T. ...and I HIT IT ONE DAY!! The moment I read it, I KNEW!! God has it right there in an otherwise obscure OT verse that says to use His KJV...and that all others should be shunned. So, I went to Bible book stores in a few different cities in my travels over the next year or two; and to secular book stores also, as in them I found they even carry more versions and publishers than Bible/Christian book stores do. In all this time I found about a dozen-and-a-half other versions...and all were wrong... none had it like the KJV.
Then, knowing there were more than just those roughly 18, I spent a good bit of time finding all I could on-line, which came to a total of 35 more, now equaling 53 non-KJV's. So that was a total of 54...and all the other 53 are God-taught to be, at best, shunned or very, very cautiously used - and that is only maybe 2 or 3 of them - while all else are versions from which a person CANNOT EVEN BE SAVED.
Now, no personal criticism intended, Chris, but I would imagine I am correct when I say that, until I also show you that AWESOME, AWESOME, verse - which I later realized IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOWS AND PROVES AMERICA IN THE BIBLE - you will certainly have a hard time believing this I say! And since that time a dozen years ago...I have found several more KJV-only & USA-in-the KJV proofs. So, as per that prior email, call me and I will gladly show you! Richard