1 Corinthians Chapter 14 Discussion

  • Jema - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago
    Biblical authority should come first in a Christian heart . If it contradicts the Word then where does it come from ? I'm sure we all know that the word devil is also meant as a ' deceiver ' . If we stick to what the Bible says we will not be deceived , the Spirit of Truth never contradicts the Word of God .
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago
    1 Corinthians 11:4 discusses a woman praying or prophesying with a head covering; hence the concept of silence is only perhaps in a formal service. It also may suggest that asking questions as a distraction isn't to happen rather than the concept of always remaining silent.

    These verses also show the limit of a woman in regard to expression in worship settings since they are not to have authority over a man ( 1 Timothy 2:12). This fairly well mirrors the Old Testament where at least in the Book of Judges and a few other instances there were women acting as a Prophetess. There were no female priests at least with Judaism; these occurred with pagan rights quite often; however. It will be noted the consistency in messages at that time with God's overall plan in other texts as well as overall history. Judges 4:9 is an interesting passage with Deborah predicting victory in Sisera at the hands of a woman; perhaps that is one reason God used her. It is also said the lack of visions and available male prophets at the time may have necessitated God using her in this occasion.

    There are cases where women would praise God in a prophetic manner; in Exodus 15 Moses started off with a victory song; and Miriam joined in later in verses 20-21. This shows they were in one accord.

    If we survey what are the fruits or results of women who take on roles forbidden in scripture usually we see spurious doctrine manifest. 1 Samuel 15:23 reminds us that rebellion is as witchcraft. We see quite often the other half of the problem; namely men that are unwilling to take on the role as head of the household and the responsibilities in worship services. Thus we have a major part of the breakdown of society.

    Women also need to fully take on teaching their children; guiding younger women as well as evangelizing to women in this generation; albeit perhaps leaving some more dangerous assignments to men. A woman with more intellegence can help men behind the scenes.
  • Hammer63 - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago
    We are part of a church that still believes that a woman shouldn't teach nor usurp authority over a man. ( 1 Tim. 2:11,12). Women still have a role in teaching children and guiding the house. Just a proper order. In America we have lost some of these concepts through different "movements" and there is pressure for the church to follow along. Maybe that is also why we have some of the "gender identity" issues in America.
  • Cheryl1655 - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago
    I ask about Corinthians 1 Chapter 14 Verses 34 & 35 not 3 & 4

  • David0921 - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago

    The phenomenon of speaking in Tongues was a legitimate means by which God spoke directly to Believers and the Church before the Bible was completed. And God laid down very specific rules for how that was to occur. It is interesting that God makes a distinction in 1 Cor 14 between the value of Tongues in the early Church verses Prophesying. And every True Believer is indeed a "prophet" as they faithfully declare the Word of God.

    Once the Bible was completed with the book of Revelation, God declared in Rev 22:18 that He would never again speak directly to mankind apart from the Bible itself.

    I am personally convinced that God allowed this phenomenon of Tongues in the early Church before the Bible had been completed as a testing program for our Day as to whether the Church and individuals would be satisfied with the Bible Alone as our Authority. Or would there be an insistence in additional Devine Revelation in addition to the Bible itself.

    And is it not amazing how the Tongues phenomena and interest in Signs and Wonders has spread like wild fire with the charismatic movement during the last few decades.

    This is just another evidence as to why our understanding of the Nature of the Bible is so very important in our Day.
  • Cheryl1655 on 1 Corinthians 14 - 9 months ago
    Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34 & 35, did man change the meaning, because 22:18 & 22:19 say man cannot add or take away from this book. explain. thanks
  • Richard cain - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Man was first form by god then he needed a help meat not help mate food..man then wo man pronounce in english woman. jeus had 12 disciples neither of them was a wo man boy!! will the wo mens give us hell now man we open up a can of worms!!!....peace....
  • Alex N - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Willie GBU...But under this new Covenant Gal 3:28....There is no more Jew or Gentile Bond or free Male or Female....WE are all one in Christ Jesus.

    .....Willie we are all the same,....we all have to be bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God the living word as Bro. Peter tells us...without Jesus seed the living word we cannot be bornagain....Thats y he has to know us....Thats when the good seed is sown in our hearts initiating a birth of Christ in us....The son of man...mankinds fruit unto God via hearing his voice...Whosoever receiveth not the Kingdom of God as a lil Child he will in no wise enter there in...GB
  • Free - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Dear "Willie milton", i don't quite understand your intention with this post. Because as far as i can see Hebrews 5:1 has nothing to do with women's periods. Otherwise, i see what you mean and it's right.

    The Holy Spirit fills the person who is willing to do God's Will. Jesus Himself had to submit to God.

    God bless u in Jesus name, love u in Christ. John 5:1-15
  • Willie milton on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Please remember the Holy Ghost came to the woman and left the same stairstep of Dominion that he had from Gen 3:16 just holy now but in God she is still a woman and have to follow the course of this Flesh. All she do in the lord should be under the man's leadership and not leading him .woman have the zeal of God in love but some is not according to knowledge. They need teaching if they are willing to obey then they need teaching . There is no world where the woman can come ahead of the man . This is Satan

    in the Church Thanks Willie
  • Willie milton on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    God do not contradict himself the holy ghost has nothing to do with the flesh but power over the spirit of the devil .A women and a man have a chores in this word through the flesh and the no male or female is for when we become Angels. A woman still are under Adam and eve law in the flesh and the flesh of a man have the rulership over the woman. The holy spirit will stop a woman for her monthly period nor childbirth nor death . Hebrews 5:1 if a priest is needed and your pastor is dead then then church must

    line all qualified males and choose a priest from among men. Numbers 28:1 when god was setting up the priesthood he said call all males from the family of Arron that they may minister to me in the priesthood . God had a women prophetess call Mariam Moses sister. a elder is appointment after one is saved. The holy ghost have nothing to do with putting a woman in authority over a man just over the Devil works. 1Tim 2:11 this was after the holy Ghost had fell Acts 2:1 -2 1Co 11:3-4 this was written after the Holy Ghost had fell. So why now the women liberation is come now it seems that God have a new thing concerning the Pastor position. if you believe anything out of the scripture you are in False Doctrine and the Bible say's if a Angel from heaven preach any other gospel from what we preach let him be accursed . So it is not what God told the woman she could not do...He told her what to do. Thanks Willie
  • Willie milton - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Add nor takeaway from the word of God. There is no written word of God where a women was ever to be over a man. A pastor is in a position of authority. I will believe what the bible say's and let women keep silent in authority with all subjection .You know what subjection mean's it don't mean dominion.1C 11:3-4 is the stairsteps of dominion .Our churches is out of order with the women's liberation movement defiled the church of God. It is now a perverted and backward doctrine. I will never be under a woman pastor.That is my conviction and I will die with it and you are no one will change me 1+1= two . End of story Thanks
  • Opinion8it - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Anyone who has an active relationship with God has been saved from the sting of sin. No believer "lives in sin". God can speak through anything and anyone he pleases-- he spoke through a burning bush, and he even spoke through a donkey. Does this pastor display the fruits of the spirit? Are people at her church accepting Christ as their Lord and savior? If so, you have your answer. Hint: Satan does not compel people to Christ. We can judge the works and deeds of someone and determine whether their works or deeds are good or evil, but only God will render the judgement of the soul.

    "He that is not against us, is for us" -- Matthew 18:50
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Since many bros/sis pick verses from the Bible that claim that are for women being pastors, because they are referring to ALL disciples (and that is true) lets use an example from Maths, for one who remembers a few things from school.

    Suppose an unknown no. is given represented by 'x'. We are given two conditions for it. The first says 'x' can be any no. from 1-10. The second condition limits the possible values of 'x' to 8-10. Can someone say that 'x' can be, say, 4 because this value satisfies the first condition? No, because the 2nd condition says from 8-10. Now let's go to the verses like Acts 2:17 and many other in the OT and NT. It seems then that 'x' = men and women, so women can be also pastors. But there are other verses/conditions like 1 Timothy 2:15, 1 Cor 14;35, as well as other given by brothers that limit the possible answer. Then its becomes obvious that the only solution that satisfies all verses/'conditions is 'x'=men, isn't it so?

    Finally its not right trying to go around verses by using logical thinkiing. "Well, you know, it was an old fashioned world, women sat on the balcony etc". Yes that's true, but does this give me the authority to change the Bible? Take God's position as Lawmaker? Haven't thas sort of things alter the christian church that has become in many aspects unrecognisable nowadays? Some things in the Bible are straightforward, just take them as they are, not arguing but asking God to explain. Assume Apostole Paul suddenly appeared in front of us now. Who would dare and have the courage to argue and disagree with him because he would think that Paul was old fashioned? Any volunteers? Certainly not me.

    Blessings to All
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Dear Gaynell.

    No one can claim that he/she has an instruction from God that is different from His written Word. If he/she does then it is fake. Does God contradict Himself? The rule that we can compare what is true or fake is the written Word of God, otherwise why read the Bible since for me there may be something different? If someone doesn't know God's instructions then he/she is innocent, but if he/she does ....! They are going to hear that He doesn't know them. But we made miracles, casted out demons, prophesied in Your Name.... Entrance to the Marriage closed. Disobedience to God's Word is a sin and if one doesn't repent and correct his way ...

  • Cowboy - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    If a woman has the power and the call of God on their life to pastor or preach the gospel then no one can say any different. I believe in women carrying the gospel in many different ways. For God said in Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

    Act 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Notice God said I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh this included woman. A question who cared the first massage after Jesus was resurrected from the died "Mary" Love and grace to God stay prayed up and ready to go up. Cowboy
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    I suppose you are familiar with Paul's teaching on the subject ( 1 Tim. 2:12; 1 Cor. 14:35). In the sense that any disobedience to instructions in the Word is sin; I would say yes to that subject.

    The more important thing to note; is the overwhelming number of women who hold that position end up having terrible doctrine; which exposes the root of the problem ( 1 Sam. 15:23). It is interesting noting Saul as He tried his own hand at offering a sacrifice; which was not for him but the priest to do back in chapter 13. He then tried to save the cattle for the priests to sacrifice but disobeyed the command. The attitude of rebellion tends to be in a "me" centered focus of many of today's female prosperity preachers. There are others who call themselves apostles (I'll leave namas out of it) who may be very attractive but are suspect at best as to having valid gifts.

    There also can be the possibility (although I am unaware of any) that a woman who is genuinely gifted is attempting something in a type of ministry she is called to do elsewhere. There are brilliant authors out there who write about end times; spiritual warfare and other topics. There are women who undoubtably are gifted at teaching and will be a blessing ministering to other women or children. Also of course there is edifying the Body of Christ; as Paul mentioned in Corinthians in regard to women praying and prophesying (but with proper head covering). There are; of course many women mentioned by Paul himself who were a blessing to him; as well as the Lord Himself sometimes being the most faithful until the end.

    Also; hypothetically; there could be a case where no men appear to be qualified for the job. Of course if it is all or mostly women; they could have their own fellowship. We need to trust God's ways when it comes to ministry; and that He will send someone in His timing. There seems to be no problem with individuals meeting and men and women participating in discussion.
  • Jj - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    in the new testament, Paul wrote letters addressed to "Lidia" and "Mary", as leading disciples. Judges, in the old testament, has Deborah a woman and great judge.
  • Gaynell Smith on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    I would like to know if woman pastors are living in sin
  • Mishael - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Some churches provide light weight coverings for your legs, if you ask. Fashions today are kinda short. I'd just keep a shawl in the back seat of the car. Next time you go to church ask in the foyer if they have lap coverings?
  • Herman - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Obey them. Most Christians are against transgender. This is the way some churches demonstrate the distinction of gender through clothing. 1 Cor. 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law. It isn't against the teachings of Christ for a women to wear a dress is it? This is a statement out of one of those churches pamphlet. "As God's image-bearers, we maintain and teach consistent biblical principles on matters of male and female sexuality, identity, and appearance, showing compassion without compromise".
  • Amanda on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    What do you do when you go to a church that has dress codes, specifically women wearing skirts and dresses...
  • David - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Sheila Bennett Three biblical truths whether something is from the God and father of our lord and saviour

    first it cannot contradict His WORD POINT TWO IT has to GLORY God and Jesus CHRIST three it must be a blessing to the giver and receiver and build up the body of CHRIST THE CHURCH. EXAMPLE a brother of mine committed to God to go and hold forth

    Gods word for one year. Five months into the year he shows up where I was working and I ask him whats he doing back home.

    he said he had a sign from God and saw geese flying north in winter instead of south and it was a sign. I lovingly ask him do you

    believe that God would do that after you made a personal commitment to Him to do what you said and then show something to break that commitment, especially when God opened doors and made it available for you to do what you committed to. So bottom line as long as it lines up with it is written and also when God opens doors they open easy especially if He wants you to do something and ask and pray first. Phillipians 4:19.
  • SHEILA BENNETT on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Can just anyone visit your congregation and say God sent them to be a watchman in your congregation and another in another county is this decent and decent order of God teach me I'm teachable correct me if I asked an disorderly question please ?
  • Free - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Dear "Sara Smith", love u too Romans 1:16-17
  • Sara Smith on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    I love all
  • Marke on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 1 year ago
    1 Corinthians 14:20-22

    King James Version

    20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

    21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

    22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

    Don't be childish, immature, untaught, or ignorant about tongues. Tongues were important in the early church as God transitioned from the Jews to the Gentile/Church, but afterward ceased because God was no longer using them as a sign to the Jews.
  • 2022 Church - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    Back then the women were in a balcony or separated by partitions. They couldn't hear or wait till they got back home__when she would be expected to get the meal in the table Quickly!

    THIS is 2000 years later, ok. The women, as well as the men are expected till wait till after service has ended, to ask questions. Or schedule a counsel hour in the week.

    Most likely the service gets posted online so everyone can view it again; the elderly and sick included. They call the elders if in home prayer is needed. Almost every church has nursery and children's church.

    This not the DARK AGES. Internet brings us close together. Churches should have volunteers for home ministry. "Our efforts done as unto to the Lord Jesus."

    He rewards our servanthood.

    From scripture we see Jesus telling stories to children and blessing them, in the public squares.

    I see no reason to preach archaic How-to behave in church. Almost everyone would do well to take turns to participate in nursery or childrens church; benevolence to the needy (collecting items and delivery). Host a teen gab-a-thon on Friday's.

    Forgive me, We are Jesus's church; with arms to hug and legs to go ye. His disciples.

    The Lord bless.

    Nobody preaches this so I stand on my mountain top alone. But I did those things for years, a couple of hours on a Sunday. I'm a master of funny voices, so I got frequent call backs :D

    If your church doesn't have a home viewing website, maybe you can help start one?
  • Jesse - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago

    It would apply the same today. Where it says it is a shame for women to speak in the church, it doesn't mean that she can't talk. There was something taking place in the church back then that prompted Paul to write this.

    Up to this point in 1 Corinthians, we were given the procedure for the proper order in the church. From Verse 34 on, we see the principles for authority. There are seven commands that are given. The first command is in Verse 34 that says let your women keep silence in the churches. That's a command.

    The word woman in scripture is also the word for wife, which meets the criteria for here. Let your women, (or wives), keep silence in the churches: Please understand that back then when they gathered together, they had men on one side of the church, and the women on the other. Men could not sit with women, and women could not sit with men.

    The problem was that you would have somebody teaching, and somebody's wife is over on the other side of the church calling out to her husband across the room, and they were talking across the room and being disruptive. So Paul she's not permitted to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

    That's back in Genesis 3:16 under the woman. Remember after they sinned, God said I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception. In sorrow you shall bring forth children and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    Second command is in Verse 35. "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." Notice it does not say "teach." That's covered elsewhere. So the woman was to remain silent. If she didn't understand what was being taught, she was to ask her husband at home what it meant. Also, keep in mind that the husband was responsibility to take what was being taught, and he had the responsibility to make sure that his family at home understood the teaching.
  • Thurman Young on 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 year ago
    1 Corinthians Chapter 14 verse 34 and 35. Let your women keep silence in the Churches. It is a shame for women to speak in the Church, does that pertain to Modern Day Churches today. If so. please explain? There are so many Churches today women speak, and women preach The Gospel in Churches. There are women Pastors that have their own Churches.

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