Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Tongues are not for the church but were for the jews.
The theological word "Trinity" has nothing to do with 1 Corinthians 14:11
"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me." because it is the wrong understanding or misinformation of trinity to be added to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 14:11
"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."
King James Version (KJV)
The main bottom line is that there is no such thing about the unscriptural word of trinity in the King James Version Bible Edition 1611 according to the scriptures as it is written in Proverbs 30:5
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
Proverbs 30:6
"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
King James Version (KJV)
Revelation 22:18
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 12:32
"What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it."
Hi George , thanks for your reply , the UK was very catholic until king Henry the 8th wanted a divorce . His daughter Elizabeth the 1st wasn't overly concerned about religion but didn't want to be told by anyone , including a pope , how to run her country and so wouldn't go back to catholicism .We have plenty of different denominations over here but it's only the catholics that believe in the so called trinity , the others are different version of Protestantism . In my hymn book I have some awesome very old hymms 1600s and 1700s and the lyrics don't talk about us going to heaven or that Jesus is a deity , they do talk about the return of Christ and God's coming Kingdom on earth . When I have time I shall put some up here . May God bless you .
They are the same entity, if they abide in you. The kingdom of heaven is within you. We acknowledge God the father as the creator, we believe that He sent His only begotten Son, we submit to the comforter who teaches us all things, who is the Holy Spirit. Being in this place , we live in the world but we are not of the world. Being one with the Father, through the son, who lived and died , as our substitute. Therefore Jesus can forgive sin. The perfect condition for man is to be one with the Father, No one but Jesus, is one with the Father. Jesus forgives sin! We are sinners. Reconciliation with the Father is through the forgiveness of sin, through Jesus Christ. When we know this, we become more than children of God, we are as God! 3in1, 1 being US!
The trinity doctrine is man made , its the bedrock of the Catholic church .
Its not anywhere found in the scriptures . Unless scriptures are twisted to mean something other than the true meaning .
Its extremely confusing and that should reveal its origin , God is not the author of confusion.
The bible plainly says Jesus is the Son of God . If you believed confess that then God dwells in you according to the scriptures . 1 john 4.15 , nothing about the trinity doctrine .
If you believe Jesus is the Christ then you are Born of God ,1 john 5v1 .
Where does it say if you believe in the trinity doctrine you are Born of God ? it does not .
Trinity is not in the Bible. The Bible says Godhead.
The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.
Matthew 1:23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.
[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]
To REFUSE this knowledge, is to reject the Son of God, and his provision.
PS. I have these scriptures noted on the inside cover of my Bible.
Hi George , yes , some people do believe in it , I think they are mostly Catholics and I think it is a Catholic doctrine . There are plenty of people who don't believe in it and who just believe what it says in the Bible . In the UK it tends to be Protestants who don't believe it and Catholics who do . That may be different in other countries .
you're correct in that the word trinity is not found, that's just playing with words, but you will find many passages that tell of the triune God, these are but a few.
1 John 5:7-9, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." John 1:1-18, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So, that's one long who knows what and one claim that it's an anachronism no longer applicable to the church today.... anyone else want to take a stab at it?
There is no place in the Bible where Anyone says women can't teach or lead ,.. check your strongs concordance, you'll see that's a miss translation, an simple means that , No one , should chatter while Gods word is being taught
Brother Bill, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
John 6:63 ....the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto to you SPIRITUAL, but as unto CARNAL ....
Galatians 3:28 ....there is neither male or female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the CHURCH.
Christ is the husband, we are the WOMAN (spiritually speaking), we are the Church (spiritually speaking). We are to KEEP SILENT before our husband and to keep SILENT in the CHURCH.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you (the woman) have received of him (your husband) abideth in you (the woman), and you (the woman) need not that any man teach you (the woman): but as the same anointing (your husband) teacheth you (the woman) all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (your husband) hath taught you (the woman), ye (the woman) shall abide in him (your husband) (and you shall become one flesh).
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam (Christ, spiritually speaking) was not deceived, but the WOMAN (the CHURCH, spiritually speaking) bring deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she (the woman, the church) shall be saved in childbearing ....
Revelation 12:2 And she (the woman, the church) being with CHILD cried, travailing in birth, and pained to BE DELIVERED.
When we speak/preach God's Word we are prophets(men who speak for God) as did the Old Testament prophets. Paul instructed these babes in Christ how to speak(known human tongues/languages) in the assembly/church. Please note: verse 32- states that the spirits of the prophets( not the Holy Spirit)are subject to the prophets. When we speak for God(out of His Word) we are not possessed and taken control of like demoniacs or those with an unclean spirit would be. The phenomenon in some circles called "slain in the spirit" where allegedly they claim that the Holy Spirit takes total control and the host(the person who experiences this is under the anointing of the Holy Spirit) is not possible because here in verse 32 the Holy Spirit speaks thru Paul who tells the church at Corinth they are subject to their spirits when they speak for God.
"And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."
All these means is that the message giving by someone who claims to be a "prophet" must be subject(or tested by previous prophetic messages) to what other prophets have spoken. If the message contradicts scripture and the prophets, the such individual is not a prophet of God. His message must be subject to the spirit of truth and if speaks against it, there is no light in them. ( Isaiah 8:20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen
1 Timothy 2:11-13: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve."
The Scripture actually is Paul speaking to Timothy about his ministerial responsibilities & not Timothy speaking to the Jews. This is nevertheless a clear directive based on the order of creation: even though Adam & Eve were created equal in every respect, yet God chose the order of creation, that Adam (man) be created first under God & then Eve, under man. In society, this order can have some bearing, but in the Church, that order must be followed: that man has been given the authority to lead God's people & to teach them accordingly. Women have not that privilege, but have doubtless played vital roles in the Church (as you have shown) & as helpers to Paul & Timothy & others.
Your reference to Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12 & Colossians 3:11, are indications of a woman's equality to men & particularly as those 'in Christ'. They have nothing to do with the order within Christ's Church. Any evidence of a woman usurping that position, is contrary to God's order & requirement. It was never seen in the NT Church nor evidence in the Church subsequent. This is new phenomenon: from about the 1900s this came to be evident (I may be corrected on this date), as the emancipation movement of women grew & with the advent of the world wars, there were fewer men to lead the Church. But this was never from biblical design & ought to have been corrected but unfortunately has increasingly become the norm in some Churches & it has been accepted with disregard to Divine instruction. And lest you think that I have something against women as leaders, I do not. In many instances (both secular & religious), women actually do a better job than men, but that doesn't give permission to re-interpret God's Word.
Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen
1 Corinthians 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Tongues are not for the church but were for the jews.
"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me." because it is the wrong understanding or misinformation of trinity to be added to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 14:11
"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."
King James Version (KJV)
The main bottom line is that there is no such thing about the unscriptural word of trinity in the King James Version Bible Edition 1611 according to the scriptures as it is written in Proverbs 30:5
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
Proverbs 30:6
"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
King James Version (KJV)
Revelation 22:18
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 12:32
"What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it."
King James Version (KJV)
What you have shared. Thank you!
Peter got it right when Jesus said who do you say I am ?
The Christ the son of the living God .
Why cannot people understand this ? Unbelief is a terrible thing .
Its not anywhere found in the scriptures . Unless scriptures are twisted to mean something other than the true meaning .
Its extremely confusing and that should reveal its origin , God is not the author of confusion.
The bible plainly says Jesus is the Son of God . If you believed confess that then God dwells in you according to the scriptures . 1 john 4.15 , nothing about the trinity doctrine .
If you believe Jesus is the Christ then you are Born of God ,1 john 5v1 .
Where does it say if you believe in the trinity doctrine you are Born of God ? it does not .
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30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall.
31 But they that wait for YHWH shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with
wings as eagles: they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint.
CHAPTER 41
1 Keep silence before Me, O islands, and let the peoples renew their strength. Let them
draw near, then let them speak; let us come near together to judgment.
2 Who has raised up one from the east, at whose steps victory attends? He gives nations
before him, and makes him rule over kings; his sword makes them as the dust, his bow as
the driven stubble.
3 He pursues them, and passes on safely; the way with his feet, he treads not.
4 Who has wrought and done it? He that called the generations from the beginning. I
YHWH: who am the first, and with the lastpl am He.
5 The isles saw and feared; the ends of the earth trembled: they drew near, and came.
6 They helped every one his neighbor, and every one said to his brother, Be of good
courage.
7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smooths with the hammer, him
that smites the anvil, saying of the soldering, It is good: and he fastened it with nails, that
it should not be moved.
8 But you, Yisra'el, My servant--Ya'akov whom I have chosen, the seed of Avraham My
friend,
9 You whom I have taken hold of from the ends of the earth, and called you from the
uttermost parts thereof, and said unto you: You are My servant, I have chosen you and
not cast you away.
10 Fear you not, for I am with you, be not dismayed, for I am your Elohim; I strengthen
you: yes, I help you; yes, I uphold you with My victorious right hand.
11 Behold, all they that were incensed against you, shall be ashamed and confounded;
they that strove with you, shall be as nothing and shall perish.
12 You shall seek them, and shall not find them, even them that contended with you:
they that warred against you shall be as nothing, and as a thing
God plainly said IAM God and no other beside me .
The truth will set you free .
The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.
Matthew 1:23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.
[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]
To REFUSE this knowledge, is to reject the Son of God, and his provision.
PS. I have these scriptures noted on the inside cover of my Bible.
1 John 5:7-9, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." John 1:1-18, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
But I suffer not a woman to teach , nor usurp authority over
the man , but to be in silence .
John 6:63 ....the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto to you SPIRITUAL, but as unto CARNAL ....
Galatians 3:28 ....there is neither male or female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the CHURCH.
Christ is the husband, we are the WOMAN (spiritually speaking), we are the Church (spiritually speaking). We are to KEEP SILENT before our husband and to keep SILENT in the CHURCH.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you (the woman) have received of him (your husband) abideth in you (the woman), and you (the woman) need not that any man teach you (the woman): but as the same anointing (your husband) teacheth you (the woman) all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (your husband) hath taught you (the woman), ye (the woman) shall abide in him (your husband) (and you shall become one flesh).
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam (Christ, spiritually speaking) was not deceived, but the WOMAN (the CHURCH, spiritually speaking) bring deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she (the woman, the church) shall be saved in childbearing ....
Revelation 12:2 And she (the woman, the church) being with CHILD cried, travailing in birth, and pained to BE DELIVERED.
All these means is that the message giving by someone who claims to be a "prophet" must be subject(or tested by previous prophetic messages) to what other prophets have spoken. If the message contradicts scripture and the prophets, the such individual is not a prophet of God. His message must be subject to the spirit of truth and if speaks against it, there is no light in them. ( Isaiah 8:20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
The Scripture actually is Paul speaking to Timothy about his ministerial responsibilities & not Timothy speaking to the Jews. This is nevertheless a clear directive based on the order of creation: even though Adam & Eve were created equal in every respect, yet God chose the order of creation, that Adam (man) be created first under God & then Eve, under man. In society, this order can have some bearing, but in the Church, that order must be followed: that man has been given the authority to lead God's people & to teach them accordingly. Women have not that privilege, but have doubtless played vital roles in the Church (as you have shown) & as helpers to Paul & Timothy & others.
Your reference to Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12 & Colossians 3:11, are indications of a woman's equality to men & particularly as those 'in Christ'. They have nothing to do with the order within Christ's Church. Any evidence of a woman usurping that position, is contrary to God's order & requirement. It was never seen in the NT Church nor evidence in the Church subsequent. This is new phenomenon: from about the 1900s this came to be evident (I may be corrected on this date), as the emancipation movement of women grew & with the advent of the world wars, there were fewer men to lead the Church. But this was never from biblical design & ought to have been corrected but unfortunately has increasingly become the norm in some Churches & it has been accepted with disregard to Divine instruction. And lest you think that I have something against women as leaders, I do not. In many instances (both secular & religious), women actually do a better job than men, but that doesn't give permission to re-interpret God's Word.