1 Corinthians Chapter 13 Discussion

  • Alex1939 - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Kathlynn...There is so much to be said about Elohim being a singular God head but 3 distinct beings...And Elohim tells Moses his name is Abraham Issac and Jacob...Which was Father Son and Granson...But this 1 singular God head has to be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas..That was the great Promise....I God Almighty will multiply thy seed Who's seed ? Christ Seed....The living word...As the stars of heaven And God Almighty swore by his own self That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven Thats y Jesus said to whom the word ( Gods seed ) came it made them Gods PLURAL And Jesus is God the Son...Thus we see an Israel of God on the Horizon which are spirits the H.G. Plural as the stars of heaven...That are gonna be born in us sinners...Whosoever receveth one such Child in my name receiveth ME...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations...Abraham Isaac and Jacob were a perfect picture of 3 distinct Beings BUT the one singular FATHER OF Israel...This Heavenly Israel are gonna be born in us via the seed of Jesus...Thats y Jesus was saying that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...Which is the H.G. the Children of PROMISE The Israel of God....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...ok lemme go...Its the H.G. That IS THE REAL HEIR and is lord of all....According to Gal 4 :1...But he has to be born in us via the seed of Jesus but he is lord of all thus that Child of Promise the kingdom...We are just a joint heir...But its only the H.G. that heavenly Jacob is the real HEIR...The Israel of God... Isaiah 49 kjv
  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago

    Chris has given you the meaning of Elohim that has been used for centuries. The definition you gave is more from New Age/Paganism than from the Scriptures or Christian belief over the centuries.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Hello Kathlynn. I don't understand your belief/understanding of 'Elohim' that you shared, as I don't find that in the Bible, but I can say this: that the word 'Elohim' (from the Hebrew), has several meanings. And those meanings/applications can be to the True God (as in Genesis 1:1), or to gods in general (as in Judges 10:6), even to judges (in Exodus 21:6).

    Elohim then, is the general name for God and is used in the context of God as Creator. The Name emphasizes that God is distant and powerful. It is used to describe God as the awesome and majestic Creator.

    However, when God's Name is given as 'Yahweh' (the LORD), this is His personal Name and is used in the context of God having a relationship with His people. When God goes about creating humanity ( Genesis 2:7 ff; cf with Genesis 1:27, spoken of in a more general way), it is Yahweh who does this act. When the Lord is personally involved with His people, Yahweh is the proper way to designate Him.
  • Kathlynn SIMPSON Arledge-Johnson on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    I've always, even when young, that Elohim=multiple aspects or polarities or energies of one Godhead, aka Monotheistic GOD. Example: Father Alpha/Son Christ (masculine), Mother Omega/Daughter Soul (feminine) and Holy Spirit (perfect balance of masculine/feminine. However, even to this day, all I see from 'professionals' is Elohim= multiple GODS. --- WHAT SAY YOU????
  • Jesse - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago

    I also tried 6 times yesterday to post a response with no luck. Not to take away from what Chris has shared because I agree, but here is what I tried sending:

    The word charity in the King James text is the word Agape in Greek. And there are different words in Greek for different kinds of love.

    Over the years, the church has relegated Agape to be something special. But not that special, because we think we can produce it!

    But the word charity is Agape.

    Agape is the fruit of God's Spirit according to Galatians 5:22, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love." And that word love is Agape. God's Spirit produces Agape.

    1 John 4:8 tells us that God is Agape. It's His nature. In fact, outside of the New Testament, the word was hardly ever used.

    But God is Agape.

    Agape love includes sacrifice. Agape is the concern for someone's spiritual welfare. God exhibited that toward us in that "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son."

    He looked at us and said your spiritual condition needs help. If I don't send a Savior, you're going to die in your sins!

    So the word charity throughout all of Chapter 13 is the word Agape. It is Agape love, or Godly love. It doesn't mean charity like we know it today.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Hi Ian. Apologies for the delay in responding; we had some problems posting comments yesterday.

    Since the KJV was published first in 1611, the translators probably looked for a word that more expressly described true love or a love that is God-preferred. As you know, most other translations simply write 'love' as the translation from the Greek, 'Agape', which is correct. But in the KJV, the translators also probably looked for a more apt word & gave consideration to the Latin language for 'love', which is Caritas (from which we get 'charity'). And Caritas is more than showing love, concern & giving to another in need, but has at its root, Christian love or a brotherly sacrificial love that extends further & deeper than just a sympathetic love for another.

    Maybe, the word 'charity' & its present meaning amongst most people, is actually the incorrect outdated one. Rather, when we use the word it should be as originally intended in meaning: that of love that goes beyond the emotional & sensual but much deeper to giving of oneself which includes both a deep concern & practical help.
  • Ian Davis on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    In I Corinthians 13 love is exchanged for the word charity why is that?
  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Amen, David
  • David T on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Today, for me is December 31, 2022. I find this passage to be a great launching point into 2023.

    May we all as brethren in the LORD, follow hard to the words of our LORD CHRIST JESUS and endeavor to be "charitable" in all we do and say. May we all, over look the ills and problems of others, as our GOD did for us and exhort, encourage, and pray diligently for our leaders, for our friends, family, neighbors, and yes, even for those who despitefully use us.

    GOD to shine HIS glorious face upon all on this forum, and be gracious unto you. The LORD to lift up HIS countenance upon you and give you peace.

    Praise the LORD! Have a Happy New Year everyone.
  • TTSCOTT on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Each time I read this I get a much better understanding of the type of person I should be. If I have no love, I am NOTHING!
  • Henry - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Kingdom of Heaven. The word charity is best described as the love of God

    In the renewed mind in manifestation because only the love which is produced

    By the spirit of God thinketh no evil. This is way Paul says at the end of 1 Cor. 13

    And now abifeth faith hope and charity but the greatest of these is God's love in

    Action or displayed. You can do all kinds of works but if not done in perfect love

    Doesn't mean squat.
  • GiGi again - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Hello, Kingdom of Heaven,

    Perhaps the text should read love instead of charity. However, I think that charity is in reality, love in action.
  • Free - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Dear Kingdom of Heaven. U have right, and the translator takes liberties. In my translation it says Love. And For many years I thought that love should be cold in most people. And tried to look at it more closely, love.

    We can have nothing unless the Lord gives it to us, then everything must come according to His will. Therefore another key thing is He loved us first so that we can love sincerely, honestly, He righteously back. We can give Overmoistening love becouse Lord Jesus loved us first. Stay strong in the word of God.

    Jesus loves u, i in Christ. Acts 19
  • Kingdom of Heaven on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    1 Cor 13:13 should be "love" and not "charity", it is a real shame that even the KJV Bible versions are corrupted.
  • God Bless Christian Parents Who Take That extra Time - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:11 - 1 year ago
    My son would get home 1 hour before I did. He had to wait to go play till I got there.

    For practicing handwriting,

    He had to choose a chapter out of Proverbs. He copied down the scriptures by hand. He'd find all the short chapters, but I didn't mind. He never pitched a fit. I always left a treat in the fridge for him to eat.

    " Come and taste the goodness of the Lord."
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:11 - 1 year ago
    Indeed brother John, just as we are bound to mature biologically, so we must endeavour, by the Grace of God, to mature spiritually: that we "might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God" ( Colossians 1:9,10).
  • Rev. John Quann on 1 Corinthians 13:11 - 1 year ago
    My dad use to use this scriptures on me when I was younger.
  • Alan Watts on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    I have read ODB for a number of years, even though it apparently uses other bible versions than the KJV. This morning I believe the Lord pricked me to make my first ever comment to concerning Our Daily Bread (ODB). The ODB reading in the Bible this morning main them was charity, not love. Although close, these two attributes are like apples and oranges.
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    Dear Ben.

    The greek for "love" is "agape". This is the word used throughout the greek version of the Gospel, even in verses where the KGV translation uses the word "charity" ie as in 1 Corinthians 13, 2 Timothy 3:10, Colossians 3:14 and many other.

    The greek for "charity" (love, compassion,mercy,sympathy for fellow humans, people) is " philanthropia". It is only used in Titus 3:4 "But after that the "philanthropia" (kindness and love toward man) of God our saviour appeared,.."

    "Koridos"?. Maybe you mean "charitos", pronounced "kha-ree-tos". It means "of grace, due to grace. The Greek for "grace" is "charis", it comes from a root word that means "gift, gifting". That is why we say that we are saved by God's grace, means salvation is a gift from God. The word "charisma" comes from that word. Charisma in greek means gift, a given talent, grace (same in English I think).

  • Ben on 1 Corinthians 13 - 1 year ago
    I attended a very secular private high school, but we were still asked to memorize this passage of Corinthians as sophomores. I remember at the time my humanities teacher gave an interesting lesson in Greek/Roman root words for modern English, and they raised a connection between "Charity" in the King James edition sense of the word, and "karidos" which meant "love for fellow mankind" in the old Greek Bible translations. It seems like the modern American Bible has lost some context when it changed "Charity" to "Love" unless one's pastor is at hand to mention the distinction.
  • John kristofich - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    I agree with u brother

    God is love and we are to love Him with all our heart , soul and mind and one another as we love ourselves and the gifts are important of course for the proper function of the church
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    You are right my brother about what you have said about love, loving one another, love our enemies and most importantly God. But the reason God gave His gifts to His children is not really about His Glory so much but for the proper function of the church. Paul described the church as the Body of Christ, as a body that each individual part has a work to do so the whole church functions in a proper way, in the way God wants. If they were not important God wouldn't have given them to us. But He did and expects us to take them and use them, I guess. So you saying that they "don't matter" opposes God's plan for His church actually. Paul says, as I wrote in my previous post, to ask for the best gifts, so how can one claim that they don't matter. Prophesy for example is according to v 3 "for edification, exhortation and comfort". So God uses an individual to give a message to a person or the church for these reasons. Prophesy is not always foretelling, it may be sometimes but not always. Did Nathan the prophet ever foretell about smt to happen in future? No but he had messages directly from God to give to king David. If God wants to talk to us, is it sensible to not want to hear? Just think about it.

    Now let's talk about love. God is love, but God is also truth and God is also justice. This means that love can not exist in God separate from truth and justice. E.g. Love without justice is not not right, truth without justice doesn't mean anything, justice without truth can not exist. All three must be present in a person just like their are present in God. But truth is the Word of God, which is also what is right or wrong. If one says I want to have love then according to what God wants then one must have His truth as well, that is His written Word.

    So love outside the written Word of God is not accepted. Finally if we just claim that all those things were for that time then we are never going to ask them and never going to get them. As simple as that. But why not?

  • John kristofich - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    The Spirit choses to whom and what spiritual gift or gifts He gives- hope that He gives the gift that is most needed in one's life not sure He gives multiple gifts? Whatever gift He gives He gives to be used to the glory of God I think Jesus said it best when they asked what should one do and He responded to love God with all your heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself on this rests all the law and the prophets he emphasized love - He is right - and in John 3:16 for God so loved the world He sent His only begotten son. Agape love - we can't understand fully this love but we r to love one another as Christ loved it was love that the father accepted his wayward son back and celebrated his return but I agree - to have gifts of wisdom , knowledge , ministry , etc wonderful but to truly love wow that is hard to find to have that ability to love your enemy? Love those that persecute you? Those that revile you? That is a mark of a true Christian I feel if there is not an outward pouring of love for God and for fellow man . Gifts don't matter
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Yes dear John. in 1 Corinthians 12:31 Paul says "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way" And then in chapter 13 Paul talks about love and the characteristics of it. But does actually Paul mean that love is enough and so we don't need the spiritual gifts that God gives to His children? Is that so? No, it isn't. Read the first three verses of chapter 14. "1 - Follow after charity (love), and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 - But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort."

    What does it says above? Follow love AND desire the spiritual gifts. What spiritual gifts is Paul talking about? All, but he specifically talks about tongues and prophesy. So should these exist in any church congregation? Paul says yes they should. Chapter 14 is an excellent example of how the early church functioned. But is this only for the early church ... ?

  • John kristofich on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Of all the gifts from the Holy Spirit - a most excellent way Paul said superior and better than these gifts the more excellent way than the gifts the best gifts - superiority of love over the gifts of the Spirit
  • Susan M Lewis on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    his is good reading for the body of Christ
  • Free - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Hi "Marie Thomas Corbett", You are so right, rest in it, be in it, work and search in it. He will never leave you, He will never give up on loving us. So with a humble heart we can receive His grace and Salvation, Amen.

    Stay blessed in Jesus Name. Love u in Christ. Matthew 16
  • Marie Thomas Corbett on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    I know Jesus died for all sinners.He washed all my sins away.i believe he has forgiven me of all sins. I love you Jesus.
  • SPENCER SHAW - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Jesus is creater god

    1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    Jesus is the son of God

    Rom 1:3-4 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    Jesus I savior of the world

    Luke 2:11

    "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

    the bible is about Jesus what he has done, the world he created and what will he be doing in the future.

    Jesus is the judge of the heart and he is going to kill and punish every single person with everlasting punishment who has not belive him and put their trust in him. no expectations
  • Sam buttwet on 1 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Who is Jesus

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