1 Corinthians Chapter 13 Discussion



 
  • Dianne - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Hi Merlene When the Bible talks about the Hope of the Return of Christ it is in relationship to the gathering together for the saints. That event is strictly on Gods Time table. It cannot be prayed for, it cannot be believed for, we can't pray for it to happen sooner but it is our fantastic guarantee that our lord and saviour is coming back to raise us up with perfect bodies talk about an event to look for forward to.
  • Dianne - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Hi Marlene When God in the bible says Hope it is in regards to the return of Christ which we cannot believe or pray or act in any way to make it occur any faster, it will happen in Gods time table. Example you can pray to and ask for a better job that's possible, we can pray for someone to be healed that's available, you can pray even for people to have a change of heart. But what's known as the Hope of the return which is future that's Gods guarantee of our Glorious departure from this world, in new bodies I might add.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Marlene,

    Hope comes from the word ELPIS. The word hope is found in several places in the Bible. Romans 5:4 is one place. It says, "And patience, experience; and experience works out hope:"



    You see, our hope is certain. Hope, Elpis in the Greek, does not mean a hope like wish, "I wish it will happen." It's an expectancy. You expect it to happen. You know it's going to happen.



    When God proves Himself to us through all of our situations, that builds our hope because of experience in Christ.

    And we see this in Romans Chapter 5, Verses 1 through 21 which speaks of the privileges of justification.
  • Clarisse Kajja on 1 Corinthians 13
    Thanks you helped alot
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Robert,

    I don't think Paul was speaking of an actual "heavenly language."

    1 Corinthians 13:1 says, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."

    In verses 1 through 3, the word "though" is mentioned 5 times. You may even want to circle it in your bible.

    Verse 1 reads "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels," and there are some people that use that verse to say "You see, Paul spoke with these mystical languages!"

    Though I speak the language of men and of angels, and so people will say that even though I violate what the bible says about tongues, the bible does say that there's an "angelic language" that we can speak, because Paul says "even though I speak."

    No, he didn't say that! That's why I told you to notice the word "though" and circle it. In Greek, these are all words that are called EON, which means "if." It is called EON with the subjunctive.

    In other words, Paul is presenting five phrases that are hypothetical. He's not saying "though I do speak," he's saying "if" I did!

    I wanted you to see that because that is very important in the original language. Some people think that just because of the English, Paul is saying though I do speak with the language of angels, and he's not saying that at all. This is all hypothetical.

    The first one: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Agape, I become as a sounding brass, or as a tinkling cymbal. It's just noise!

    It's kind of interesting because hypothetically, and in fact, it is called hypothetical exaggeration. The Corinthians are so carnal and because they were carnal, he is pushing this out to exaggeration in the human.

    Some of them did think that they were speaking in the languages of angels and they thought that this was "super spirituality." Paul says "Even if I should be able to do that, and I don't have Agape motivating it, I'm just making noise. It's worthless!"
  • read every day 1 Cor 13

    since the greatest commandment and the second commandment is telling us to love.
  • Lauren - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Thank you for leading me to this passage again. Lately I had been looking at myself too much, sad that I have seemed

    to accomplish so little for the Lord, I am no great evangelist, not even a good one, I live a very ordinary life, nothing

    really spiritual or religious at all about it. I have a job that pays very little comparatively speaking, but I love it, I work

    with kids in the public school, help them get through "the system." Last year I had the opportunity to teach, but it proved too much for me. I went back to being a helper. But so often, I wish I could be a better witness

    for Christ...... The discrepancy inside me breaks my heart in two sometimes, how strong is his love inside, but how little I have to show for it. Then I read 1 Corinthians 13, and am reminded, it is not about all that I DO for God, it is about His love abiding in my heart, just being with Him, and loving him, and being near Him. Wow, that really helped me today. Thank you.
  • Mountain - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Lauren : I don't think that you have anything to worry about . I wish I had a church full of people that had the love in their hearts as you do !
  • Sach - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Lauren ,i think i know exactly what you mean ,He gives us everything ,it some times overwhelms me ,we have nothing to give but our love , thats all He wants from us ,that we love Him enough to trust Him implicitly and do as He asks us out of our love for and faith in Him and the promises He has made to us , we are supposed to be meek but i know i sometimes burn inside and long to shout at the top of my voice to people "read the Bible ! God loves you ! Jesus is coming " the best we can do is to lead the kind of life we know He wants us to and be patient ,if we get the chance to help some one thats great but if we dont we dont ,we all have different abilities ,i have always felt that we are like the Levites in a way ,no inheritance in this world .Isaih ch66 v2 ,Num ch18 v20 ,Deut ch18 v2 ,Rev ch1 v6.
  • Gary Smith on 1 Corinthians 13:4
    I was looking in my NKJV by Thomas Nelson at 1 Corinthian 13:4 and it says "Love suffereth long, and is kind; Love envieth not; Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never fails."

    What goes on in your KJV I do not understand how charity which never fails can replace Love.

    Prophet 14th Generation

    Gary "Nobraham"
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:4
    Hello Gary,

    I understand your question of "charity" in place of "love". Which I believe we all today know the word "love" better than "charity". Why they chose to use that word several hundred years ago I don't know. Maybe more common then as today it means more of giving money. Stated as "giving alms" then. Love and charity is the same Greek word "agape" in the Greek texts. Meaning "brotherly love, affection, good will, love." It is translated 26 times as "charity" and 85 times as "love".

    The NKJV is better than most other versions printed. There are still differences from the original KJV that I don't like. I know there are some things that are easier to read as what you just noted. In two instances in Acts 3:13 and verse 26. Instead of saying "His Son Jesus"(God's Son) it states "His Servant Jesus". In 1 Corinthians 1:18. it states "to us who are BEING saved" from "unto us which ARE saved".

    Of coarse these are very subtle changes as there are more. Even as I was lead to Jesus Christ by reading another version of the Holy Bible. The KJV is the best and most accurate though.

    To bring up one thing I came across just the other night. I was going over the Wycliff Bible which was written/translated in 1382. If someone thinks the 1611 KJV is hard to read, this version is almost like another language in how early and different the English language was. Most of it, that I went over, is pretty accurate next to the KJV. I came across one word, in one verse, that is very important that differed from the KJV. Knowing that the Wycliff Bible was translated from the Latin Vulgate, and not the Greek texts, I looked up the Vulgate. Copying and translating the verse it actually came out to what the KJV stated. This was very comforting knowing that just this one word was accurate in the KJV to the Vulgate which was written in the year 382AD.

    Sorry about all that extra stuff. I just thought I would use this post to bring this up to you and others.

    God Bless.
  • Michael Smith on 1 Corinthians 13
    I have long used this chapter as a litmus paper to examine my relationships with all in my immediate circle. It being Biblical is useful too to understand the authenticity of others toward myself. Now I am learning it is of even greater importance to use this as a litmus test to measure the authenticity and integrity of myself and a gauge to measure my spiritual maturity. No greater love has a man than he would give his life for his friends. These words of Christ represent the highest attainment within our reach.
  • William on 1 Corinthians 13
    I carry 71 years, and have loved this chapter since I read the Bible at the end of childhood, looking for answers to questions I could not even ask yet. Answers did not come from reading but from life, even as this chapter seems written from human experience. I have been through all the changes of pride it describes, and have observed what remains when pride is eroded.

    I say it differently to myself. In verse 10, I substitute the word "complete" for the word "perfect", for it is complete reality that I have come to look for. In verse 12, I sometimes substitute "mirror" for the word "glass".

    And at the end, I add my own thought,

    "And the foe of charity is fear".
  • If you turn 1corithians chapter 3 verse 1; into a check list for your self, than you will see a even bigger picture.You will find yourself realizing, did I love in everything I do and or did?
  • S Spencer on 1 Corinthians 13
    Acts 9:3-5 (KJV)

    I would like to elaborate on this verse a little more Because it takes a lot more energy to deny the deity of Jesus christ/Emanuel than it does to except it.

    Acts 9:3-5. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

    And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Here we see Saul in vs 3 he's surrounded by light, "the Glory of God that he spoke to Israel in the wilderness" then he heard a voice from the light, "Saul,Saul, why persecutest thou me" and Saul answers to the only God he knew, being he was a pharisee, WHO art thou Lord? And Jesus answered his question directly! " I AM Jesus " whom thou persecutest. Jesus was returned to his former Glory.
  • S Spencer on 1 Corinthians 13
    I think today people comes up some way or another a point of view and go to the scripture to authenticate it, rather than first go to the scripture with openness of mind and let the Holyspirit reveal truth
  • Rod - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    A very wise and simple truth for a much better world,

    thank you
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Thanks Rod, You're welcome, have a blessed day
  • Tina - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Yes I agree as well.
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    You are sooooo right !
  • Why are errors in Christianity so important? Can we live with them ? Put errors in a computer and see how it works , to much error and it crashes.

    There are no excuses for errors . The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth , the word of God promises this .

    Errors are human and from the devil originally.

    I recommend the bible only .
  • Susan Broderick on 1 Corinthians 13
    I am chading scripture that speaks of not leaving or forsaking.

    Please direct me.

    Thank you In Jesus' name,

    Susan
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13
    Hebrews 13:5; John 14:18; 1 Corinthians 7:13. Not sure what aspect of this that you're thinking of.
  • I am a baptized Christian and have been reading the Bible daily 4 over 25 years ,i know what i am and am not supposed 2 do and say and believe and every single day i am ashamed of myself for the things that i do and say and think and feel and all the things that i should have said and done ,in other words every day i sin and every day i am sorry and ashamed of myself 4 my sins .After all this time i think i should b able 2 go 1 whole day without sinning ,i am truely weary of my own sinfull self .I thank my God ,the Holy One of Israel ,and his sinless only begotten son ,Jesus Christ the Righteous for being so long suffering and generous and kind and mercyfull 2 me ,even though they know me and all my horribleness better than i even know my own sinfull self ,i am truely thankful that God is not like us ,he is perfect and pure and beautiful and faithful and mercyful and very kind hearted and understanding ,nothing like me !
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Suzanne, I can see from what you've shared, that you are very sensitive & careful to please the Lord in every area of your life. And yes, we if are honest with ourselves, hardly a day would go by without some sin or some aberrant behaviour we express, that affects us before God & our own consciences. And it would be wrong for anyone to tell you that you are overly introspective & to overlook these things. No sin, however insignificant, can be overlooked & yet, as you state, we are daily cast upon God's mercies & forgiveness because of the shed Blood of His Son, for forgiveness & restoration.

    This is the battle we all face in life as Christians & the word to us is always to persevere in our faith & not lose heart. Satan will always be at our door to force us or trap us into some sin - we will be victorious over some - we might fail in others. But I see a couple of key things here for you (& each of us): when our spirits are affected because of some act of sin, we know that it is God's Spirit within us Who is reminding us of our slip up & He is there to help you find forgiveness & restoration: God's Presence. The other thing is that through such failure, we are being taught & strengthened in being more watchful for the next time & in better dealing with it: God's Power. In other words, even though we might not see it, as we gain victories over sin, however small, we are learning to be fully cast upon the Lord & we are becoming more like Him.

    If there's a particular area of your life that you know that Satan is attacking you in & causing you to sin, then it is something that needs to be brought before the Lord & your special attention through prayer, reading the Word & using it in those times of temptation. For some, it may be, being given to anger easily, or impatience, or careless thoughts, or many other areas of weakness. All these areas, God is able to help you, strengthen & guide you through, as you look to Him & rest in Him. 1 Corinthians 10:13; James 1:2,3.
  • Suzanne - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Thankyou sooo much 4 taking the time 2 give me such encouragement and support ,i really do appreciate that and your words have comfortef me a lot ,im probably going 2 cause outrage now by saying publicly that satan does not make me sin ,i am the sinner ,the sin is all mine ,i am responsible 4 my own sin , the wages of sin is death and i earn those wages all by myself ,i know God loves and forgives me through Christ my sinless redeemer and you have cheered me up today by not allowing me 2 forget one of the most important principles of Christian truth ,forgiveness ,thanks so much ,may God bless you ,sorry ,may God continue to bless you .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Whether it is sin that weights us down in life or other debilitating circumstances we find ourselves in, it is in God's Plan that both His Spirit & His children be ready to assist to save another from being overwhelmed in Satan's grip. When one member of the Body suffers, we all suffer & the only remedy we can give is our support & encouragement.

    I was interested to read your comment: "satan does not make me sin ,i am the sinner ,the sin is all mine ,i am responsible 4 my own sin". I think I understand what you're saying, if by that you mean, that the sin in you & which continues to surface, is because it's already there & that Satan remains just a mute spectator. Even though there is merit in that & we all suffer with a fallen sinful nature passed on to us from the beginning, it is Satan himself who is ever present to appeal to that nature causing us to either obey his voice or to withstand him. Our fallen nature is just that: a nature already degenerated so that no good thing can come out of it. Yes, we might do many good things in our lifetime for people & society in general, but the equal propensity to do evil in our nature also exists. How often, we can be told of a man, decent in every way, loving his family, upright in business, but all of a sudden goes into an outrage against someone who has severely offended him & then lets all control & sensibility be lost, by taking another's life. That almost doesn't make sense, but it's reality as sin is ever present that can make us behave in unimaginable ways, not just by bringing disgrace to ourselves but in greatly offending God.

    So you may be "the sinner & the sin is all yours", but every time you fall it's not just sin manifesting itself in you of its own accord, but Satan who takes up the fallen nature & your propensity to sin, to cause that root of sin to be revived & expressed. However, if one finds a delight to sin, I then agree that it comes from us - but we would need to question our faith. James 1:14,15.
  • Suzanne - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Thanks again 4 talking 2 me about this ,i do appreciate your input very much ,there r 2 things that i struggle with amd im happy 2 talk about 21 of them ,i shall try 2 keep it brief ,in 2017 i was under some stress and sadness that i wasnt able 2 express properly ,my favourite aunty who i love very much became very ill and i knew as soon as i heard that she would die of it ,no one else in my family seemed 2 think this would happen but i knew she wwoulddie ,of course i couldnt go around telling every one this ,so i had 2 keep it 2 my self so in effect i started grieving inwardly 4 her 6 months b 4 she actually died ,during this time i had my 50th birthday and was expected 2 celebrate and b happy so i had 2 put a face on 4 that ,my aunty died 1 week after my 50th .Well ,ive never had a lot of sympathy or patience 4 people with addiction problems ,whatever their addiction might b ,i come from a family of addicts of all sorts ,but when i heard about my aunty i started 2 buy things of the internet ,mostly bits of silver jewellery ,im not rich so i was careful 2 look 4 bargains but i was so happy 2 recieve something nice in the post when i was feeling quite miserable ,by 2018 i realised what i was doing and got a grip of myself then covid came and at the very begining of the 1st lockdown in march my most favourite uncle died suddenly and we werent able 2 give him a family burial ,si ive been buying a few bits of silver again and im so annoyedat myself ,i think imgetting a grip again ,maybe i neede 2 learn not 2 look down my nose at addicts ? I think ive got a handle on my covetousness but i need 2 b tougher in my faith and appreciate all that i have ,better is the sight of the eye than the wandering of the desire.Thanks 4 all your help .
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Thank you for sharing so intimately Suzanne. I know, life get's quite difficult & complicated when we have to experience hurdles or sadnesses that might cause us to lose our grip on it. In your case, after the passing away of your Aunt & then an Uncle, you began to console yourself somewhat by needlessly buying things. While it's true that we respond differently to situations, it's more important that we realize that we are no longer in control of ourselves & doing what is right for our lives, & seek to stop our actions, committing ourselves to the Lord for help.

    We have a lady friend, a good Christian, who grew up in a very poor family, barely having any comforts in life apart from a bed & other essentials. Also being abused as a youngster, added to her sadness & poor outlook on life. After her marriage to a fine Christian man & both having good jobs, she all of a sudden came 'into money' which she never had before. Not having the privilege of learning about administering finances, she started to buy things (e.g. if she liked a pair of shoes in one colour, she had to have it in all the colours available in the store so she would have a matching pair for her (many) clothes). Her husband despairs, but understands where she's coming from & to some extent allows her. But what we see is a reaction, however abnormal & absurd, to a life of poverty earlier.

    Even though you have bought cheaply over the internet, it's still money that has not been wisely spent - it helps to think that we could put aside that spare cash to give to someone in need - it may become more satisfying to you to see the expression of appreciation on someone's face than of a build up of silver objects in the drawer. And of course, the Lord would be pleased by your acts of love to your 'neighbour' & denying yourself. Commit this specific weakness (certainly not a major sin) to the Lord - ask Him what you can do for others or provide for another's needs, that can help you overcome this weakness.


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