You're correct. But that was under the old covenant when the Spirit of God was given in measure & for specific reasons.
Under the new covenant, the Spirit is received as soon as the new birth occurs for it's the Spirit Himself Who administers the Gift, sealing the believer. If this were not to happen, then we would have a situation where we have a 'Christian' who is one without the Holy Spirit, & that would be impossible.
Jesus spoke in Luke 11:13: "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children; how much more shall your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him"? It's not automatically given.
I think it would be safe to say that God created not only the heavens & the earth, but all the elements required to make them up & bring them into existence. If that were not so, then the question: who created the elements? Which is a question even the evolutionists cannot answer. Matter can never just come into existence out of nothing, even by chance - all things visible & invisible demand a creator. But our friends on the other side of the fence wouldn't want to face that issue - all they can do is try to deny God's existence so as to create doubt in the Truth of the Bible & of Creation.
That is very true, Jerry. And that portion goes on to say in the next verses, how the Church also would profit/benefit from the ministry of the Holy Spirit to them as a whole - the Body of Christ.
Everyone is important in the body of Christ just like the real body. No one should get stuck on a title. I am curious why the African-American church clamor for titles of Apostles, Bishops and Prophets more than other denominations. True men and women would be humble like those in the bible. Sometimes people can be become too deep waiting con false prophecy. We need to go back to the old path of charity and love for each other which is the bestgift. People are searching for genuine love and relationships rather than just cold revelations. Amen. Let's be real. With loving kindness have I drawn thee. Showing compassion first draws people over trying to vague prophecies.
I am so grateful that we are in one body. And as such, we each have a part in serving our Lord Jesus Christ. Paul has done an excellent job of explaining the spritual gifts that are active in the church. Each gift is for the edification of the Body of Christ.
Well said Chris. I would like to add - work together for the good of the church & the glory of God. As Chris said, everyone has something unique to offer.
Teboho, I see that both these accounts, referring to Spiritual Gifts, as complementing each other. I don't think that we should necessarily look at these lists from the apostle, as exhaustive. They may well be other gifts that have not been specifically mentioned. But what is evident, is that God wants His Church to be well equipped in serving each other, for the building up in our faith & blessing of each other. After all, we are a community within a community & just as parents give all due care & instruction to their children, so the Church, with its members so gifted, should also use those gifts for the building up of one another in love. It may be true that certain gifts may not be seen or even necessary in a fellowship today, but the Spirit does give each one a gift to be used to edify the Body.
You may, or may not have, a gift from the Spirit that is listed there. It may be something very unique, just as each one of us is unique in Christ. The important part is that the person with the gift or position is not elevated (as was being done in Corinth, 1 Cor 3:4), but rather that the Church grow & the gift in that person be exercised. How do we know our gift? It won't come as a letter from Heaven but most likely as we walk with the Lord & are active in our Fellowship, we will sense our special God-given abilities, our direction, our joy in service even when it gets demanding, because we will know that this is the Lord's doing & enabling & blessing to the Church must be the result.
What is the difference in the spiritual gifts we see in chapter 12 of the book of Roman's and chapter 12 of the book of 1 Corinthians. Is correct to say there are 15 spiritual gifts and that each one of us is gifted in one of these areas?
In the world we will have tribulation. Christ has overcome the world. where is the temple of Christ ,but in the world! We are his workmanship in him! we are all different but yet in one body. Christ is all in all.,he has fulfilled all of Gods law. He is our perfect sacrifice. Without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness! In him we live ,move and have our being. Faith in Him is our sword!
Every word that proceeds from Our Father though Christ, our Savior, Redeemer, Counselor and Savior cannot impregnate a heart other than one chosen by our Lord.
How beautifully synchronized His timing is, for us, the meeting of persons He brings into our path. Each ordained by His Spirit for His Holiness, or, for a test of our discernment abilities.
ONLY YOU ARE WORTHY GOD
Bless Israel, Lord.
And The Word was Made Flesh( John 1:14) The Angel Said(to Mary)The Holy Ghost Shall Come Upon Thee and The Power of The Highest Shall overshadow Thee----He Shall be Called The Son of God( Matthew 1:35) Christ is The Word, The Son of God. The Holy Ghost is The Comforter( John 14:16,26)Christ is Not The Father(This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am Well Pleased) Read Mark 3:29. Pray About it.
A BIRTH ALWAYS IMPLIES A CHILD CONCEPTION ETC,THE NEW BIRTH IMPLIES A HEAVENLY CHILD WHICH IS THE H.G. AS THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT WHICH IS OUR NEW INNERMAN THE H.G AND CHRIST IS THE FATHER SIMPLY B/C HE SOWS THAT GOOD SEED IN OUR HEARTS INITIATING A BIRTH OF CHRIST IN US ( THAT CHRIST THAT IS FORMED IN US) WHICH ANSWERS TO THE ISRAEL OF GOD THE PROMISE WAS MULTIPLICATION OF GOD
the born again believer is neither Greek nor Jew we are the born again and we dwell in the house of our Father. We are those to whom "from before the beginning of time" refers and our place is determined by Believing on the name of Jesus. Once we answered that knock and let Jesus enter " It is not I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me" and we can no live by man's dogma but by His Word.
It seems to me that 1 Cor Ch 12; presents a challenge in that it makes adherence to the teachings of the Savior, as written in the Holy Bible, and acceptance of his sacrifice, the only relevant points to which we need to hold true. Also, makes the claims of some organized religions, to be the only "way" to salvation, and their Doctrines and dogma questionable, if not dangerous. Your thoughts?
Verses 14-18~In Jehovah God's organization each of the members have a different ministry. There should be no division in the body, it cooperates as each member performs his or her part.
Alex; I'm only writing in response to that you twist my words, as you twist the Lord's words. Yes, the Holy Spirit is a divine person, and one with the the Father and the Son; I never intimated otherwise. No, we do not conceive the Holy Spirit; but He is sent from above into the hearts of those that ask in faith, and those that obey. He is not the new Son begotten in us, but the Paraclete to help.
Disciple there in no more Jew or Gentile IN CHRIST JESUS, NEITHER CIRCUMCISION ( JEWS )NOR UNCIRCUMCISION ( GENTILE ) BUT A NEW CREATURE WHICH IS CHRIST IN US THE HOPE OF GLORY.YA GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT JEW AND GENTILE ARE FULL OF OFFENCE THE ONLY THING THAT PLEASES GOD IS A NEW CREATURE, A NEW INNEMAN WHICH IS THE H.G,THE PROMISE SEED . THATS Y THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE IN CHRIST JESUS .GBU
Alex; Where do you get such unscriptural strange ideas? The Holy Ghost (notice carefully I don't abbreviate!) is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ which is given into our hearts as an earnest or token of the Promise of our inheritance in the world to come; and for sanctifying and teaching us; and for using us to convict and teach the world about Christ. NOT TO REPLACE JEWS OR CHRISTIANS!
Disciple its the H.G. that replaces both Jew and Gentile,Does this scrip. ring a bell 1 Cor 12 v 13 BY 1 SPRIT ( THE H.G. ) HAVE WE ALL BEEN BAPTISED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST WHETHER JEW OR GENTILE, If any man be in CHRIST JESUS he is a NEW CREATURE ( ANY MAN ) Did not our lord say that there will be only 1 Shephard and 1 Sheepfold, JESUS TOLD NIC. A JEW HAD TO BE BORNAGAIN, BY THAT 1 SPIRIT. SMH
ALL GLORY - HONOR - POWER - MIGHT AND MAJESTY UNTO MY HEAVENLY ABBA DADDY AND GOD ALMIGHTY YAHWEH - IN AND THROUGH HIS SON WHO LIVES AND ABIDES NOW AND FOREVER MORE AT HIS RIGHT HAND IN GLORIOUS LIGHT TO WHICH NO MAN CAN EVER APPROACH - WHO STILL MAKETH INTERSESSION FOR ALL OF HIS HOLY AND BELOVED SAINTS - CHRIST YESHUA - OH YES WE CAN ! RESTORATION NOW ! SHALOM BELIEVING BELIEVERS ! ACTS-JUDE!
I BELIEVE AND STAND FOR WHAT THE RIGHTLY DIVIDED ACCURATE WORD OF THE LORD MY GOD SAYS AND - I CAN DO WHAT IT SAYS I CAN DO UNTO HIS EVERLASTING GLORY TO COME AMEN INDEED. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE BLUEPRINT PAUL SET FORTH FOR US ALL AMEN. CHRIST IN ME. BEING BORN AGAIN OF THE TRUE AND INCORRUPTABLE SEED OF THE LIVING HOPE OF THE GATHERING ABOVE TO COME AMEN INDEED. SHALOM.
FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS WHICH IS THE CAVIAT TO THE BOOK OF ROMANS THROUGH UNTO THE BOOK OF JUDE AND NOT REVELATION ! WE ARE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD {GENTILES} AGE OF {LOVE-GRACE-SALVATION-RIGHTEOUSNESS-SPEAKING IN TONGUES} NOT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGE TO WHICH THIS KINGDOM OF GOD AGE WILL BE CLOSING OUT BACK TO REVELATION {FUTURE EVENT} ! SHALOM !
Under the new covenant, the Spirit is received as soon as the new birth occurs for it's the Spirit Himself Who administers the Gift, sealing the believer. If this were not to happen, then we would have a situation where we have a 'Christian' who is one without the Holy Spirit, & that would be impossible.
You may, or may not have, a gift from the Spirit that is listed there. It may be something very unique, just as each one of us is unique in Christ. The important part is that the person with the gift or position is not elevated (as was being done in Corinth, 1 Cor 3:4), but rather that the Church grow & the gift in that person be exercised. How do we know our gift? It won't come as a letter from Heaven but most likely as we walk with the Lord & are active in our Fellowship, we will sense our special God-given abilities, our direction, our joy in service even when it gets demanding, because we will know that this is the Lord's doing & enabling & blessing to the Church must be the result.
God bless
How beautifully synchronized His timing is, for us, the meeting of persons He brings into our path. Each ordained by His Spirit for His Holiness, or, for a test of our discernment abilities.
ONLY YOU ARE WORTHY GOD
Bless Israel, Lord.