1 Corinthians Chapter 10 Discussion

  • Philip Christian Parks on 1 Corinthians 10
    upon whom the ends of the world are come ( 1Cor. 10:11) = This expression speaks of the "harvest" of all mankind when the angels will separate the wicked ("tares") from the righteous ("wheat"), and then dispose of them to be "burned in the fire" (see Mt. 13:39-40 & 49).
  • Pauls encouragement to the Church of Corinth to keep faith in God,not to slip into sin.
  • In I Corinthians 10:8 it refers to the 23,000 who died. Can anyone explain what happened to them? It seems like they were nonbelievers, pagans but living back in the time of Moses. What was Paul trying to get across here? I thought the law was by then covered by Jesus' sacrifice. Thanks in advance for your help!

    In His name for there is none greater,

  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hello Amy. In 1 Corinthians chapter 10 & particularly verses 1 to 12, Paul is warning the Corinthians about their behaviour, using the examples set before them in the Scriptures about God's view on sin & punishment. As the children of Israel suffered under God's Hand in the wilderness, or as they were about to be wiped out at the foot of Mt. Sinai (except for the pleading of Moses to God), or when they committed whoredoms & sacrificed to idols in Moab, & also complained & murmured against God & Moses in the wilderness, all these accounts were reminders to the Church about their bad behaviour.

    So, the people mentioned in 1 Corinthians 10:8 were the children of Israel who practised fornication & idolatry under the influence of the gentile pagans ( Numbers 25:1-9). The 23 thousand as quoted by Paul, was actually 24 thousand (in Numbers) as Numbers records the extra thousand killed by the judges (verse 5). The 23 thousand died of the plague that God sent (verses 3 & 6: the weeping of repentance & for the plague that they were suffering).

    Therefore, Paul's message & warnings were not about Christians suffering under the Law (for the OT Law has no application to believers in Christ), but about setting examples that we are to learn from as God still doesn't overlook sin because of Calvary. Christ's Sacrifice made atonement for our sins (to satisfy God's Holy requirements & be the basis to forgive sin & to grant us forgiveness & purge our evil consciences), but is never a licence to sin. The Corinthians still had elements of licentious behaviour, as was the society & city they lived in, & Paul had to be very stern with them. And the example to them at the Lord's Table becomes relevant to them & us: 1 Corinthians 11:30, "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep"; when we wilfully sin, we can expect warning & punishment. Sometimes (not always), our sicknesses & intimely deaths may be God's message to the Church that all is not well. Every blessing.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hi Chris.

    Looks as though we answered at the same time. I can't help but wonder if you and I were reading through some of the same commentaries at the same time also?

    I like your response!
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Interesting Jesse, after I posted my comment to Amy, yours appeared. Some time ago I had read about the difference in the numbers of people killed & even posted a similar answer to that question at that time. So, at least my memory seems to be holding up, though my wife believes that there are many things she tells me that I don't remember. That's perplexing.

    Yet, it's added joy to our hearts when others are moved to share responses with similar content. It gives further confirmation to the enquirer & special unity of mind & spirit to the responders. Thank you for what you shared also, brother.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10

    That's from Numbers Chapter 25 Verses 1 and 9. The Moabites sent out the women to seduce the Israelites to cause them to sin. And when they sinned, 23,000 were slain.

    It's interesting because if you look at Numbers 25:9, it says twenty-four thousand died in the plague, but in 1 Corinthians 10:8, Paul says twenty-three thousand. If you have access to some commentaries, there are some explanations on the number difference. The two I looked at, (Barnes and Clarke) were interesting.

    Anyway, where it says "as some of them committed" in 1 Corinthians 10:8, it is referring to those people in Numbers chapter 25 who were involved in Baal worship.

    In 1 Corinthians chapter 10, if you start at Verse 6, Paul is saying that if we study about how God dealt with the children of Israel through their physical circumstances, we can gain a spiritual example for us. It says to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Literally in the Greek text, it's not a verb. It's actually a noun, "To the intent that we should not become lusters of evil things as they also lusted."

    And then Paul lists four things that are characteristics of the lusters: Do not be an idolater, do not commit fornication, do not tempt Christ, and do not murmur. Now that last one is interesting. That's the word complain. And since none of us ever do any of that, we don't have to worry about it, right?

    Neither murmur as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed by the destroyer. That phrase "the destroyer" at the end of Verse 10 is the same word for the angel of death that passed over Egypt and killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. So he says don't complain!

    You see, every time we complain about anything, we're saying that God's will and what he's doing is wrong. He's in charge of everything. So I'm complaining against Him because that's the way He has it. We have to be careful!

    Hope this helps you some!
  • Mountain Preacher on 1 Corinthians 10
    I find verses1-7 very confusing and almost contradictory.
  • Carleton on 1 Corinthians 10
    I am the Rose of Sharon, and the Lily of the Valleys- Song of Solomon 2:1

    Have a nice evening down there!

  • Alec Ford on 1 Corinthians 10
    verse 13 says that he won't allow us to be tempted by anything we can't defeat and that he will show us a way out, ok that is for believers only ? 2, When God forgives me, am i still forgiven if I can't forgive myself sounds wrong but i come across lots of people who can't forgive themselves sometimes for a sin that has broken up families or causing shame or something just as destructive, who need to know they are still forgiven by God if they repented. Am i right in this.
  • And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; simple words what does this mean. I think I know but want a confirmation.
  • S Spencer on 1 Corinthians 101-2 - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hi Emma.

    1 Corinthians 10:1-2 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

    And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

    I think if we also take Hebrews 11:29 and connect the story to these 2 passages it may shed some light on your questions.

    Hebrews 11:29. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

    When Water Baptism is taken place we're professing being Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ and Baptized here in 1 Corinthians 10-2 is used the same way, The children of Israel is Identified with Moses when they crossed the red sea. "By faith they passed through the Red sea" By who's faith? their owns? NO "They crossed over by Moses faith " They was Identified with him. When we read the story we see they were scared, They wanted to go back to Egypt.

    They water had nothing to do with it, they went over on dry ground. Thank you,
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Just wanted to be sure about the cloud. I feel like under the cloud God's protection and heaven and passing though the water, as symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism.
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    It was symbolic of what was to come!. (which was Jesus) Thank you.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    You believe that Israel passing through the Red Sea might be a "symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism."

    However, they were baptized as followers of Moses, in the cloud and the sea and the spiritual meat and spiritual drink, but they failed to appropriate these blessings because they were idolatrous.

    "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness." 1Co 10:5 (KJVA)

    This baptism has NOTHING to do about being a follower of Jesus. This kind of allegorical fabrication is dangerous, it is putting something into the text that's not there. You must read this passage Paul is writing to the church at Corinth, not just one verse, reading something into this verse that is not there!

    Despite the fact that they participated with Moses, immersed in these events, baptized in these great demonstrations of God's mighty power, they turned from God to idols and ALL that came out of Egypt perished in the wilderness, except for Joshua and Hur.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10

    In 1 Corinthians 10, at least the first 22 verses are a warning to the church about idolatry.

    In the first 4 verses, Paul uses several illustrative phrases:

    Under the cloud

    For the 40 years in the wilderness, from The Exodus from Egypt to the entrance into The Promised Land, God lead Israel in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night. So "under the cloud" meant God's guidance and protection in the wilderness.

    Through the sea

    When Israel exited Egypt, God caused the Red Sea to open so that they could cross over on dry land, through the sea. "Through the sea" an impossible barrier to freedom from slavery, was overcome by a miracle from God.

    Spiritual meat

    In the wilderness for 40 years, God provided for their physical needs. He gave them mana every morning except the Sabbath and quail. Food for physical sustenance.

    Spiritual drink

    When they ran out of water, God instructed Moses to strike a rock near mount Sinai and water came forth. Water for physical sustenance.

    Paul wrote these things...

    "Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted." 1Co 10:6
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Thank you for your comment but the Bible tells me in all thy getting, get understanding. I was talking nothing about Moses. I know the story I was simply verifying the cloud which was correct but for the rest you need to speak to God for understanding. Thank you. I pray that your eyes bee opened and your ears be open and your heart open to the spirit and what it says.

    It is not necessary to answer this because you simply just sent me the same message as before my second response. God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Also called "Song of Songs" (1:1) which means 'the best of (Solomon's) songs'. Solomon was the author & this is only one of 1005 songs & 3000 proverbs that he wrote ( 1 Kings 4:32). This is a poem in dialogue form (may not have been put to a tune) & it describes Solomon's love for a Shulamite girl. He, as a King, comes in disguise to her family's vineyard, wins her heart & ultimately makes her his bride.

    Some see this song or poem as purely an allegory, i.e. one with fictional characters employed to teach others of God's love for His people. But we know it is historically correct. Others see it as an actual historical account that shows Solomon's romance with this girl (showing the joys of courtship & marriage) but also of God's intimate love for His people. And yet others, see only the historical account with no picture of God's Love. We could then ask, 'why was this book placed into the Canon of Scripture'? But one would have to deal with it carefully when bringing out God's Love in this account.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    In Exodus 23:10,11, we read: "And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard."

    This seventh year of rest was based on the sabbath rest commanded to Israel, whereby they worked for six days & rested on the seventh for the recuperation of mind & body. Likewise, the land was to be 'rested' (i.e. no plowing, seeding or harvesting), & whatever grew from the previous year's harvest, from the rains, were not to be harvested, but left for the poor to gather for themselves & as food for the wild animals. In this way also, it gave the soil time to rejuvenate & to not always be depleted of its nutrients. Today, farmers use crop rotation or a multiple field rotation so that the land remains healthy & productive.
  • Olajumoke - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    The above scripture is powerful, it shows the mind of God for everything He created that He wants them to be alive, virile and healthy, remain productive all through the years. However, i think that sin has changed the plans for mankind. Famine both in the spirit and physical have led to a total change in the plan. I don't know if this scripture is being practiced anywhere again in the land of the living, it does not alter the plans of God. I sincerely pray that Christians will not be judged by this scripture.

    Individually we make plans & projections running through each 7th year of our existence... moreso has dispensation of Grace covered the exclusion from living this scripture?
  • ANTHONY THOMAS WRIGHT on 1 Corinthians 10
    Who was moses?
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    You can read about Moses in the Book of Exodus. He was first a shepherd, but God had called him to be the one to lead His people (the Israelites) out of Egypt, who were in bondage/slaves to Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Moses gave all sorts of excuses why he shouldn't be the one for the job, even that he was a 'stutterer' (one of slow speech/tongue) so couldn't express himself clearly to Pharaoh. So even here God appointed Moses' brother, Aaron, to do the speaking.

    Anthony, this is an exciting Book to read, so will not write more & let you read about the mighty Hand of God at work on the behalf of His people. And the same God Who works mightily on our behalf, to those who call upon His Name.
  • Michele rachal on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hello brother, as Im reading this Psalms 64: 1 thru, passage what u said last year about our government and attacks on Christians it just happen January 6th 2021,"insurrection", when evil men went to the White House and was lead by our President it was dangerous and violent against, authority, and government. This is the last days, that Christians will be persecuted, and lead by false government anti christ.
  • What is The Communion Paul speaks of at Table of The Lord? I am asking here because I came up as a Roman Catholic and now after 61 years I am looking at the receiving of a physical communion at Mass as possibly being sin. Why am I asking God The Father to accept another sacrifice each Sunday though a Priest when Christ's sacrifice on the cross was and always will be The Sufficient Sacrifice allowing me to seek forgiveness directly with God The Father through Christ Jesus? Need some help here as I'm unclear at the moment.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    To Lou - continuation to my answer.

    Question: Why do we have to do - confession of our sins, repent or turn away from sins often? To keep us holy, without sins. Why? Because sins grieve the Holy Spirit in our hearts, which guides, direct us to do what is right and pleasing to God. As Christians we go through trials, problems - God uses this to purge us from our prideful self, selfish human desires, so that God can merge his Holy Spirit with our human spirit - molding us to become in the image and likeness of our Lord Jesus.

    God loves us, doesn't want to lose us to Satan, until Jesus come again for the 2nd time - to bring us to heaven - eternal life with Him.

    If and when we fail to do this - sins separate us from God, when we die we go to hell and burn forever. This is what Apostle Paul is teaching in his gospel.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    To Lou - I used to be a Catholic myself: this is what I learn. Bread = broken body of Jesus given for you/us to remember Him. Cup = New Testament shed blood to save you/us. You & I do this to remember what Jesus did for us. But prior to doing this make to confess sins & repent. If you don't, you commit a very serious sin bring damnation to you/ourselves. Confessing sin to a priest, a sinful man, not acceptable by God. What we must do is kneel down in private confess directly to God, so God hears and answers your prayers/confession. I left the Catholic church due to this false teachings, I learn this from reading the Bible King James Version. This is the truth, the true gospel of our Lord. I suggest you read the Bible preferably King James Version.

    Apostle Paul who was a Pharisee, religious fanatic who persecuted Christians, until Jesus blinded him on his way to Damascus, converted him to be a Christian, Apostle to preach to Gentiles - non-Jews like us, his gospel is teaching us on what to do.

    1 Corinthians 11:26 Context 23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lor d Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Lou, the RCC view of the Lord's Supper or Sacrament is a little complicated. What was a simple meal shared together in the Upper Room by the Lord & His disciples, or when the early Church observed as a meal during which time a remembrance of the Lord was made, has now been modified & re-interpreted in other ways. Those not of the RCC view the Lord's Table as simply a memorial 'feast' to remember the Lord's Sacrifice through the emblems which denote His broken Body & shed Blood.

    To the Roman Catholic, the Sacrament is substantially much more. It essentially involves the Presence of Christ & the transmission of the Grace of Christ. Though RCs are able to support these with Scriptures, it becomes a case of how the Scriptures are given & meant to be understood. The same with the Apostle Peter as being the first pope, from whom the papal line succeeds.

    You're correct, that each time the Eucharist is celebrated, Jesus is crucified (a renewed sacrifice) as the bread & wine are materially changed, though unobserved, into Christ's Body & Blood. And through this act & belief, fresh grace (indeed grace upon grace) is also transmitted whereby the person is brought into a state of belief that the more he can get of Christ, will be for his greater spiritual blessing & absolution of sins. Your observance of such a belief as being rife with errors is correct. When one sees other facets of the RCC, with its robed priests, incense burning, statues, rosary & many more, they suggest the need of much paraphernalia to bolster or support faith & adoration. However, as we come to God in faith, it must be evident that our faith must be sufficient to approach God, to speak to Him, to expect of Him, to be accepted of Him. Anything else added to this negates faith & brings in 'works', which is incompatible to (justification through) faith & a walk & worship in faith.

    Romans 6:9,10, "For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Hebrews 7:24-27.
  • Lou - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Blessings for sharing. Thank you & God Bless You.
  • Rod - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

    Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

    Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

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