Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Just a reminder that our God is an understanding God. We beat ourselves up, and we at times find it very difficult to accept the forgiveness and mercy of God. We harbor unforgiveness and we forget that most important lesson Jesus taught to his disciples, that unless we forgive, our heavenly Father will not forgive us. May God never allow us to forget this most important lesson. May God never allow us to become a victim of deception in believing we can go on with unforgiveness, and bitterness in our hearts.
Hi, David. I now understand is to show an example of a life of a Christian that it is different. It is already understood that we are not to judge. Thank you, David.
Hi Micheline Human conscience is habit patterns either taught or picked up good or bad from the world around
us. Now when we're born again we have a perfect spiritual man in us but our minds are still dealing with corrupt
habit patterns that get changed as we read the word and do by continual practice of change our habits lives to
line up with Gods Word. If I a mature Christian walking in the Love of God am told by God to go to a bar and dance
is there any harm no. If God tells you to do that to speak his word to some specifically does that mean if they
offer you to drink a lot do you partake. NO The reason being is your there to speak the truth in Love, which means
bringing them up to your level never the opposite. That's where self control in all things comes into play. We bring
them up to our level that's the love without condemning them because there already lost and blind. That's was one
of my personal spiritual mistakes at first for me if you don't believe God your screwed up. That's a given if they don't
know the true God and His Sons love. We teach in meekness and humility.
When I became a believer not thinking anything about it I went to a friends house and as the habit
pattern was fire up some dope pas around and get ripped, well when they passed it around I said I don't want or need it anymore. Thinking that would be the end of it wrong, instantly are you a narc, stupid, crazy, which I replied no I just
decided that its not best to to it any more according to God. The fun began Jesus Freak etc. then I said all of you have
known me for years and because I choose to stop doing some thing that we all know isn't really good for us I,m
crazy, that is insane. So I said if that's actually how your thinking have a nice life, never spoke to any of them again.
Most of them are dead, but that's on them I spoke the truth and never condemned them how can
upon whom the ends of the world are come ( 1Cor. 10:11) = This expression speaks of the "harvest" of all mankind when the angels will separate the wicked ("tares") from the righteous ("wheat"), and then dispose of them to be "burned in the fire" (see Mt. 13:39-40 & 49).
Interesting Jesse, after I posted my comment to Amy, yours appeared. Some time ago I had read about the difference in the numbers of people killed & even posted a similar answer to that question at that time. So, at least my memory seems to be holding up, though my wife believes that there are many things she tells me that I don't remember. That's perplexing.
Yet, it's added joy to our hearts when others are moved to share responses with similar content. It gives further confirmation to the enquirer & special unity of mind & spirit to the responders. Thank you for what you shared also, brother.
Looks as though we answered at the same time. I can't help but wonder if you and I were reading through some of the same commentaries at the same time also?
Hello Amy. In 1 Corinthians chapter 10 & particularly verses 1 to 12, Paul is warning the Corinthians about their behaviour, using the examples set before them in the Scriptures about God's view on sin & punishment. As the children of Israel suffered under God's Hand in the wilderness, or as they were about to be wiped out at the foot of Mt. Sinai (except for the pleading of Moses to God), or when they committed whoredoms & sacrificed to idols in Moab, & also complained & murmured against God & Moses in the wilderness, all these accounts were reminders to the Church about their bad behaviour.
So, the people mentioned in 1 Corinthians 10:8 were the children of Israel who practised fornication & idolatry under the influence of the gentile pagans ( Numbers 25:1-9). The 23 thousand as quoted by Paul, was actually 24 thousand (in Numbers) as Numbers records the extra thousand killed by the judges (verse 5). The 23 thousand died of the plague that God sent (verses 3 & 6: the weeping of repentance & for the plague that they were suffering).
Therefore, Paul's message & warnings were not about Christians suffering under the Law (for the OT Law has no application to believers in Christ), but about setting examples that we are to learn from as God still doesn't overlook sin because of Calvary. Christ's Sacrifice made atonement for our sins (to satisfy God's Holy requirements & be the basis to forgive sin & to grant us forgiveness & purge our evil consciences), but is never a licence to sin. The Corinthians still had elements of licentious behaviour, as was the society & city they lived in, & Paul had to be very stern with them. And the example to them at the Lord's Table becomes relevant to them & us: 1 Corinthians 11:30, "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep"; when we wilfully sin, we can expect warning & punishment. Sometimes (not always), our sicknesses & intimely deaths may be God's message to the Church that all is not well. Every blessing.
That's from Numbers Chapter 25 Verses 1 and 9. The Moabites sent out the women to seduce the Israelites to cause them to sin. And when they sinned, 23,000 were slain.
It's interesting because if you look at Numbers 25:9, it says twenty-four thousand died in the plague, but in 1 Corinthians 10:8, Paul says twenty-three thousand. If you have access to some commentaries, there are some explanations on the number difference. The two I looked at, (Barnes and Clarke) were interesting.
Anyway, where it says "as some of them committed" in 1 Corinthians 10:8, it is referring to those people in Numbers chapter 25 who were involved in Baal worship.
In 1 Corinthians chapter 10, if you start at Verse 6, Paul is saying that if we study about how God dealt with the children of Israel through their physical circumstances, we can gain a spiritual example for us. It says to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Literally in the Greek text, it's not a verb. It's actually a noun, "To the intent that we should not become lusters of evil things as they also lusted."
And then Paul lists four things that are characteristics of the lusters: Do not be an idolater, do not commit fornication, do not tempt Christ, and do not murmur. Now that last one is interesting. That's the word complain. And since none of us ever do any of that, we don't have to worry about it, right?
Neither murmur as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed by the destroyer. That phrase "the destroyer" at the end of Verse 10 is the same word for the angel of death that passed over Egypt and killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. So he says don't complain!
You see, every time we complain about anything, we're saying that God's will and what he's doing is wrong. He's in charge of everything. So I'm complaining against Him because that's the way He has it. We have to be careful!
In I Corinthians 10:8 it refers to the 23,000 who died. Can anyone explain what happened to them? It seems like they were nonbelievers, pagans but living back in the time of Moses. What was Paul trying to get across here? I thought the law was by then covered by Jesus' sacrifice. Thanks in advance for your help!
verse 13 says that he won't allow us to be tempted by anything we can't defeat and that he will show us a way out, ok that is for believers only ? 2, When God forgives me, am i still forgiven if I can't forgive myself sounds wrong but i come across lots of people who can't forgive themselves sometimes for a sin that has broken up families or causing shame or something just as destructive, who need to know they are still forgiven by God if they repented. Am i right in this.
1 Corinthians 10:1-2 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
I think if we also take Hebrews 11:29 and connect the story to these 2 passages it may shed some light on your questions.
Hebrews 11:29. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
When Water Baptism is taken place we're professing being Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ and Baptized here in 1 Corinthians 10-2 is used the same way, The children of Israel is Identified with Moses when they crossed the red sea. "By faith they passed through the Red sea" By who's faith? their owns? NO "They crossed over by Moses faith " They was Identified with him. When we read the story we see they were scared, They wanted to go back to Egypt.
They water had nothing to do with it, they went over on dry ground. Thank you,
Thank you for your comment but the Bible tells me in all thy getting, get understanding. I was talking nothing about Moses. I know the story I was simply verifying the cloud which was correct but for the rest you need to speak to God for understanding. Thank you. I pray that your eyes bee opened and your ears be open and your heart open to the spirit and what it says.
It is not necessary to answer this because you simply just sent me the same message as before my second response. God bless.
You believe that Israel passing through the Red Sea might be a "symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism."
However, they were baptized as followers of Moses, in the cloud and the sea and the spiritual meat and spiritual drink, but they failed to appropriate these blessings because they were idolatrous.
"But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness." 1Co 10:5 (KJVA)
This baptism has NOTHING to do about being a follower of Jesus. This kind of allegorical fabrication is dangerous, it is putting something into the text that's not there. You must read this passage Paul is writing to the church at Corinth, not just one verse, reading something into this verse that is not there!
Despite the fact that they participated with Moses, immersed in these events, baptized in these great demonstrations of God's mighty power, they turned from God to idols and ALL that came out of Egypt perished in the wilderness, except for Joshua and Hur.
1Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
PROPHECY:
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep MY JUDGEMENTS, and DO THEM.
You DIED with Christ, YOU WERE RAISED with Christ, this is the POWER OF THE RESURRECTION.
You are now the BODY of Christ, everything you say, will to do, or do is CAUSED by the spirit of TRUTH and LIFE WITHIN YOU.
Very FEW BELIEVE God's word.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (spirit) which WORKETH IN YOU, both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you .....
Matthew 7:14 ...narrow is THE WAY .....FEW there be that FIND IT ....
John 14:6 ....I AM THE WAY .......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ...Ye are the BODY OF CHRIST .....
FEW BELIEVE God's word.
Psalms 82:6 I (God himself) HAVE SAID, ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Your the dwelling place of GOD, your are doing the very will of God 24/7.
The question is? Do you believe God's word?
God Bless YOU, as our Father brings us to TRUTH.
My question: What is the will of the Father?
"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Just a reminder that our God is an understanding God. We beat ourselves up, and we at times find it very difficult to accept the forgiveness and mercy of God. We harbor unforgiveness and we forget that most important lesson Jesus taught to his disciples, that unless we forgive, our heavenly Father will not forgive us. May God never allow us to forget this most important lesson. May God never allow us to become a victim of deception in believing we can go on with unforgiveness, and bitterness in our hearts.
Thank you kindly for this and many other passages . Never know whom it helps when a guy is alone.
God Bless !
us. Now when we're born again we have a perfect spiritual man in us but our minds are still dealing with corrupt
habit patterns that get changed as we read the word and do by continual practice of change our habits lives to
line up with Gods Word. If I a mature Christian walking in the Love of God am told by God to go to a bar and dance
is there any harm no. If God tells you to do that to speak his word to some specifically does that mean if they
offer you to drink a lot do you partake. NO The reason being is your there to speak the truth in Love, which means
bringing them up to your level never the opposite. That's where self control in all things comes into play. We bring
them up to our level that's the love without condemning them because there already lost and blind. That's was one
of my personal spiritual mistakes at first for me if you don't believe God your screwed up. That's a given if they don't
know the true God and His Sons love. We teach in meekness and humility.
When I became a believer not thinking anything about it I went to a friends house and as the habit
pattern was fire up some dope pas around and get ripped, well when they passed it around I said I don't want or need it anymore. Thinking that would be the end of it wrong, instantly are you a narc, stupid, crazy, which I replied no I just
decided that its not best to to it any more according to God. The fun began Jesus Freak etc. then I said all of you have
known me for years and because I choose to stop doing some thing that we all know isn't really good for us I,m
crazy, that is insane. So I said if that's actually how your thinking have a nice life, never spoke to any of them again.
Most of them are dead, but that's on them I spoke the truth and never condemned them how can
you when you were doing the same thing
God bless.
a professed witch and shaman which is someone who believes they have an animal spirit living in them
that's one definition. There were a few occasion where they invited us to break bread and we graciously
said no because its one thing to eat with someone that doesn't believe. It's an entirely different situation
to break bread knowing where they were coming from. It's one thing for God to cover what you don't know
its another going against what you already know.
1 Corinthians 10:21 we are already aware what not to do so doing it just is going against God.
Verse 31 If I'm invited to eat a meal and find out it was handled in an idolatrous practice don't eat, not that
your effected but in his mind he may question your belief! We know God will cover and the earth is the Lords.
So we are no longer judged but they not knowing will be confused. This is walking In The Love of God. Then
perhaps a door will be open to share the Gospel. Someone may comment on this better.
Yet, it's added joy to our hearts when others are moved to share responses with similar content. It gives further confirmation to the enquirer & special unity of mind & spirit to the responders. Thank you for what you shared also, brother.
Looks as though we answered at the same time. I can't help but wonder if you and I were reading through some of the same commentaries at the same time also?
I like your response!
So, the people mentioned in 1 Corinthians 10:8 were the children of Israel who practised fornication & idolatry under the influence of the gentile pagans ( Numbers 25:1-9). The 23 thousand as quoted by Paul, was actually 24 thousand (in Numbers) as Numbers records the extra thousand killed by the judges (verse 5). The 23 thousand died of the plague that God sent (verses 3 & 6: the weeping of repentance & for the plague that they were suffering).
Therefore, Paul's message & warnings were not about Christians suffering under the Law (for the OT Law has no application to believers in Christ), but about setting examples that we are to learn from as God still doesn't overlook sin because of Calvary. Christ's Sacrifice made atonement for our sins (to satisfy God's Holy requirements & be the basis to forgive sin & to grant us forgiveness & purge our evil consciences), but is never a licence to sin. The Corinthians still had elements of licentious behaviour, as was the society & city they lived in, & Paul had to be very stern with them. And the example to them at the Lord's Table becomes relevant to them & us: 1 Corinthians 11:30, "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep"; when we wilfully sin, we can expect warning & punishment. Sometimes (not always), our sicknesses & intimely deaths may be God's message to the Church that all is not well. Every blessing.
That's from Numbers Chapter 25 Verses 1 and 9. The Moabites sent out the women to seduce the Israelites to cause them to sin. And when they sinned, 23,000 were slain.
It's interesting because if you look at Numbers 25:9, it says twenty-four thousand died in the plague, but in 1 Corinthians 10:8, Paul says twenty-three thousand. If you have access to some commentaries, there are some explanations on the number difference. The two I looked at, (Barnes and Clarke) were interesting.
Anyway, where it says "as some of them committed" in 1 Corinthians 10:8, it is referring to those people in Numbers chapter 25 who were involved in Baal worship.
In 1 Corinthians chapter 10, if you start at Verse 6, Paul is saying that if we study about how God dealt with the children of Israel through their physical circumstances, we can gain a spiritual example for us. It says to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Literally in the Greek text, it's not a verb. It's actually a noun, "To the intent that we should not become lusters of evil things as they also lusted."
And then Paul lists four things that are characteristics of the lusters: Do not be an idolater, do not commit fornication, do not tempt Christ, and do not murmur. Now that last one is interesting. That's the word complain. And since none of us ever do any of that, we don't have to worry about it, right?
Neither murmur as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed by the destroyer. That phrase "the destroyer" at the end of Verse 10 is the same word for the angel of death that passed over Egypt and killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. So he says don't complain!
You see, every time we complain about anything, we're saying that God's will and what he's doing is wrong. He's in charge of everything. So I'm complaining against Him because that's the way He has it. We have to be careful!
Hope this helps you some!
In His name for there is none greater,
Amy
Have a nice evening down there!
:)
1 Corinthians 10:1-2 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
I think if we also take Hebrews 11:29 and connect the story to these 2 passages it may shed some light on your questions.
Hebrews 11:29. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
When Water Baptism is taken place we're professing being Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ and Baptized here in 1 Corinthians 10-2 is used the same way, The children of Israel is Identified with Moses when they crossed the red sea. "By faith they passed through the Red sea" By who's faith? their owns? NO "They crossed over by Moses faith " They was Identified with him. When we read the story we see they were scared, They wanted to go back to Egypt.
They water had nothing to do with it, they went over on dry ground. Thank you,
It is not necessary to answer this because you simply just sent me the same message as before my second response. God bless.
However, they were baptized as followers of Moses, in the cloud and the sea and the spiritual meat and spiritual drink, but they failed to appropriate these blessings because they were idolatrous.
"But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness." 1Co 10:5 (KJVA)
This baptism has NOTHING to do about being a follower of Jesus. This kind of allegorical fabrication is dangerous, it is putting something into the text that's not there. You must read this passage Paul is writing to the church at Corinth, not just one verse, reading something into this verse that is not there!
Despite the fact that they participated with Moses, immersed in these events, baptized in these great demonstrations of God's mighty power, they turned from God to idols and ALL that came out of Egypt perished in the wilderness, except for Joshua and Hur.