1 Chronicles Chapter 16 Discussion



 
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    David,

    Chris gave you an excellent reply.

    LORD (YHVH) has a face, but humans cannot look on it and live, Moses saw his back parts Exodus 33:20-23. If we accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and are sealed with the Holy Spirit, when all is new, we will see our LORDs face. Revelation 21:1-7 Revelation 22:4. We will see God and Jesus both, because they will be the temple, Revelation 21:22

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Gigi - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    Hello David,

    Rick and Chris have given you some good info on this.

    The Father and the Holy Spirit consist pure Spirit, and therefore do not have features that we can see. However, since the Incarnation of God the Son as Jesus, we will be able to see His face as He remains the n heaven as God the Son and Man united in the person of Jesus. Our Savior.

    So, when we pray, we can imagine what Jesus may look like. He is glorious like He was at His transfiguration or in the Book of Revelation.

    How amazing that God took on flesh forever so that we can receive salvation and see God when we get to heaven! We will still be held man in heaven, though I glorified bodies, but we will apprehend God with our eyes in the face of Jesus Christ because , though God, He also is human like us. God thought of everything we need in this life and th next to know Him and worship Him forever.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    David Spivey Seeking the lords Face [figure of speech attributing to God human characteristics] so as shared

    before we go before him in prayer with our whole heart. God is spirit John 4:24 so you can't see taste touch smell

    or physically hear God unless he wants to get your Attention Moses and burning bush not burning, Moses staff

    turning into a snake then back to staff to show Moses God was backing Him up. These are examples of course.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    Hi David. 'Seeking the Lord's Face' is just an expression for coming before God with our prayers or petitions. When we are in earnest prayer, talking with our Heavenly Father, we approach His Throne with our prayers, asking them in the Name of His Son, Jesus Christ. Sometimes, we might have it in our 'mind's eye' the appearance of God & Jesus. Yet, we won't know what they really look like, but it's only natural to envisage their appearance/face, like when we're writing to or telephoning someone. It's a lot like that in prayer; we don't know God's actual appearance but we're still coming before Him - in His Presence - before His Face - talking with Him as our Father in Heaven.
  • David Spivey on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    please explain what it means to seek the Lords face when I have never seen his face because I do not believe that the of Jesus are true please help me to under stand thank you and God bless
  • MARVIN GLEETON on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    I'm asking God for a faithful wife who believes in her marriage always.
  • Stanjett - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    against or not in agreement with.
  • Stanjett - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Not for, or against.
  • Lisa on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    What does entimity mean. Don't know if I spelled it right
  • Learn to use Commentary Box on this Website - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Always read the Commentary Box.

    Wesley's Notes for Matthew 5

    5:3 Happy are the POOR - In the following discourse there is, A sweet invitation to true holiness and happiness, ver. 3 - 12. Matt 5:3-12. A persuasive to impart it to others, ver. 13 - 16. Matt 5:13-16. A description of true Christian holiness, ver. 17; chap.v7:12, Matt 5:17; Matt 7:12. (in which it is easy to observe, the latter part exactly answers the former.) The conclusion: giving a sure mark of the true way, warning against false prophets, exhorting to follow after holiness.

    The POOR in spirit - They who are unfeignedly penitent, they who are truly convinced of sin; who see and feel the state they are in by nature, being deeply sensible of their sinfulness, guiltiness, helplessness. For theirs is the kingdom of heaven - The present inward kingdom: righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, as well as the eternal kingdom, if they endure to the end. Luke 6:20.

    People's Bible Notes for Matthew 5:3

    Mt 5:3 Blessed. There follows nine beatitudes, each of which pronounces a blessing upon those who have certain characteristics. The word "blessed" is first applied to God, and means more than "happy", as it has sometimes been translated. Happiness comes from earthly things; blessedness comes from God. It is not bestowed arbitrarily; a reason follows each beatitude. The POOR in spirit. The humble, in contrast with the haughty; those sensible of spiritual destitution. The same state of mind is referred to when he speaks elsewhere of a contrite and broken spirit. Is the kingdom of heaven. Such shall become members of the kingdom that Christ will establish. The Jews rejected from this kingdom; on account of their spiritual pride.

    Mishael
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Nancy, that's a fair question. There are a couple of references to this:

    a. Matthew 5:3. "poor in spirit". This refers to the condition of the heart rather than to not having wealth. It means to be humble, having a proper humble (not debasing) opinion of oneself. These folk have a 'spirit' that will be more attune to the Kingdom of God, recognizing that they are nothing before God & have nothing to present to God to try & elevate themselves. Unlike the 'rich in spirit' who are the opposite, trusting in themselves, their accomplishments, authority or power. These don't have the characteristics that would bring them close to God, trusting in themselves rather than God. These things (the Beatitudes) Jesus spoke to His disciples, as also in:

    b. Luke 6:20. "Blessed be ye poor". Again speaking to His disciples, this word from Luke gives the sense that the disciples were ordinary folk, having left all to follow their Master. Some were already 'financially' poor as the fishermen, others like Matthew the publican may have had wealth. Whatever their financial state, the criteria for discipleship was leaving all worldly goods behind & learning from their Master. To have wealth & thus being blessed by God as the people were taught, usually meant that that would interfere with their singular focus on the objective: one 'cannot serve two masters', Jesus said. So Luke seems to imply that both poverty as well as mental humility are required for truly hearing & accepting Christ's message: that worldly possessions should not get in the way - that was the true blessing = happiness. And these messages were confined to the heart condition pre-Cross. After Jesus' death & resurrection, the Spirit changes one's heart, mind & perspective of life & worldly possessions.

    And yes, you can give to the poor to meet their needs, but they, including those with money, still need to respond to the Gospel in humility & repentance to receive salvation & be a part of God's Kingdom.
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    The poor in spirit are the ones that admit that we desperately need a savior from our sin, Jesus Christ:

    Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death. ( Proverbs 11:4)

    Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. ( Isaiah 55:1-3)

    Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. ( Isaiah 66:1-2)

    Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: ( Colossians 1:26-28)

    Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? ( James 2:5)
  • Nancy lennie on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    what does "poor in spirit" mean? if you are poor why are you blessed.? this beautitide is confusing why would I want to be b poor? and why do poor people want more and we want to give them more. and then they will not be blessed?
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Hello brother,

    I'm actually not going to get into this discussion with you. Please don't take it the wrong way. What's more important than the shape of the earth is the Lord. That's all that really matters. I totally understand if you don't agree with me, or others that don't believe we're on a ball, and I love you just the same. As long as you are with Jesus Christ who is the only way to the Father. You are Blessed.

    God Bless you Adam.
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Hello,

    How do really know what truth is? Have you ever been on the wrong side of something before?

    I have a hard time relating to the flat earth perspective for 2 reasons:

    1. Scripture

    2. Scientific evidence that can be easily reproduced

    So, I guess I'll offer my evidence and you can offer yours?

    1. Isaiah 40:22 - says the circle of the earth. I interpret this as a globe, not a flat pancake.

    2. There are so many easy experiements you can do on your own. I've already done them, so I know the Earth is round, but you can easily do these yourself:

    a. Fly in a plane around the world. You can easy fly to where you are right now to the opposite side of the earth and have your phone on with GPS tracking and track the GPS coordinates of where you are at all times. Then book your return flight the opposite way back home. Just keep going in the same direction and you will end up where you started at home.

    b. Secondly, you can do this easier and cheaper. Get 2 stakes identical in length and put one in your yard and setup a web camera which can monitor and measure its shadow. Then go on a trip to either west or east and set up the same stake in the ground at the exact same depth with a level- perfectly straight then measure the length of the shadow. When you measure it simply compare it to the shadow on your phone or tablet with your web cam and you can see the shadow lengths are different. If you measure this with the distance away you are you can calculate the diameter of the earth.

    c. Get on a plane and go very high and see curvature.

    d. Get on a plane and fly towards the west and you will have a more than 24 hr day, because of the sun and curve of the earth, the opposite if you travel east.

    e. There's countless photos/videos documenting the earth. You can make your own too, release a balloon high in the air with a camera.

    f. If earth was flat it would have an end, but there's no end. You can walk, boat, fly yourself to prove it. I have already. Why don't you?
  • Interesting - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    I'm wondering, in sincerity, if you can explain how the earth is flat. We see satellite imagery that shows a round globe correct? My question is not in disagreement or agreement but interested to know what has lead you to such a firm belief!

    If the earth were flat how would a satellite orbit around it in a circle and not see some corner or "other side?"

    Is the sun rotating around the earth?

    Thanks
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Truth! Actually the beginning of my journey to the Lord. We're not on the surface of a spinning ball lead me to the Bible which lead me to Jesus Christ. Now living a new life in the Lord for God. "The truth will set you free."

    God Bless you all my brothers and sisters! You are all in my prayers!
  • Flat Earther on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 3 years ago
    Earth is flat and the center of the UNIVERSE.
  • Grace - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16 - 3 years ago
    Hello Ms Green,

    It is likely that Matthew Henry, of the 18th Century, was vaguely referring to a much later time well after the event at the beginning of chapter 16, which was held in a tent in Jerusalem, also called the City of David. A bit after that event, another shrine/altar (spelt with two A) was constructed in Gibeon (see verse 39). Usually, Reverend Henry gave very good good commentaries, but like most commentators they aren't also the rare few talented writers who understand the effect of words on the audience. Henry confused the readers. Anyway, it's good that you read the commentary before asking your question because correct answers are sometimes in such
  • Sunday Levinus Alaka on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 3 years ago
    After restoring the presence of God to his people through the Ark of the Covenant, David and Asaph gave them these verses as a song to perpetually remind them of the importance of seeking God because ... our strength is found in him ... our grace is from his loving presence ... and our hope is in seeing him face to face and knowing him even as we are known by him. We must look to the Lord and not seek our own way or follow our own path.
  • Connie Green on 1 Chronicles 16 - 3 years ago
    The Commentary says that no offerings or sacrifices was held because there was no alter. If that was so, then why do the scripture say so and the people were given a loaf of bread, meat and wine after the sacrifice?
  • Chris on 1 Chronicles 16:12 - 3 years ago
    Psalm 32 is similar to Psalm 51, in that David is baring his heart before the LORD. It was only by confession & God's forgiveness (v 5), that David could sing songs of deliverance. He could also experience first hand the security (v 7) & guidance (v 8) that he longed for, that which was denied him while he had unforgiven sin in his heart. Verse 8, which you enquire about, is God's gentle way He deals with His children, unlike for some Christians who need the bit & bridle to steer them in the right way. God's preferred way is to teach & show us gently the paths we should take & His Eye (an intensely personal application) will always follow our steps. We must also keep our eyes on Him too.
  • George on 1 Chronicles 16:12 - 3 years ago
    What is god saying
    I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
  • Leon on 1 Chronicles 16:12 - 3 years ago
    What do this story really do means??? 1-chronicles 16 VS 11 -12-13
  • Lorraine Magarian - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16 - 4 years ago
    Amen! amen!
  • Toni Serfas on 1 Chronicles 16 - 5 years ago
    I have no conception of what anyone thinks of the BIBLE. My thoughts are that no matter how many Bishops, Preachers, Pastors and so forth will never understand all of whatever version of the Bible is. They make money off their thought process of the Bible and no one being will ever comprehend what Gods's intention is for the World with the exception of Emanuel Jesus Christ.
  • Aaron Parrish on 1 Chronicles 16 - 5 years ago
    For those who have been saved by his strength and mercy, His face is the grandest of hopes and most humbling of sights.
  • Dorothy on 1 Chronicles 16 - 5 years ago
    How is this a bible verse , Rev martin luke king is not in the bible , I would like to read what the lord said. Amen thank you.
  • Charley on 1 Chronicles 16 - 5 years ago
    the prosperity gospel is out of hell. repent man is lost and of need of a saviour
    his name is jesus christ. run from the prosperity gospel it will send you to hell
    repent or perish. luke 13-3
  • Peter Fredericks on 1 Chronicles 16 - 6 years ago
    continually


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